More complete bullshit from you. Unsurprising as it is. I do not believe, or want, my political enemies to be defeated “at all costs”. And, naturally, have never expressed that view. Your “at all cost” calculus is what is pushed by you and of your shitty ilk. Want proof, dopey? Reread the thread.
Can’t make any sense out of this. What I don’t know about TC could fill volumes? I guess. Probably the same for you and everyone else, no?
I think he is a very smart guy unbridled by allegiance to any party. If anything, he comes at things from a libertarian bent, but he is not doctrinaire in his views there either. I am now listing to his book, Ship of Fools. I’m enjoying it immensely, as it explains a lot of what’s transpired in the country over the last 60 years. Very little about Trump. On a walk this morning I learned about the degree to which Bill Kristal had lost his mind about the Iraq War and Donald Trump’s criticism of it on the campaign trail. He used to work for Kristal, so he seems to really know what he’s talking about. Learned a bit more about the history of the ACLU and The 1964 incident at Berkeley concerning Jack Weinberg. So far, it feels less like a bike by a conservative than it does a book by a disappointed '60s-style liberal. I recommend it wholeheartedly.
All snark aside, I’d love to hear your views on the book, should you deign to read it. Or any others here on the left.
The word is always hyperbolic, as it clearly cannot be otherwise. Even when uttered by Nazi’s or White Supremacists. But I accept your apology.
After the police report was revealed to directly refute Carlson’s account, this appears to be turning into a generic Pit thread for Carlson.
Which is fine by me – he’s a white nationalist, if not a full blown white supremacist. Fuck any and everyone who gives rhetorical aid and comfort to white supremacists.
Some of his greatest (bigoted) hits:
He apparently can’t even conceive of people from different backgrounds (race, religion, national origin, etc.) working together successfully.
Fuck him.
Yes. And our far left nutters have had about 2 incidents this century, while the far right nutters have killed over 100. So even our nutters are superior!
Disclaimer: neither political party is responsible for their nutters, though Trump and the GOP do have responsibility for their words which have predictably riled up their more fanatical supporters.
Observation: The professional class, a naturally conservative constituency in a Burkean sense, has trended Democratic since about 1964. During the 1970s, crackpottery was substantially more balanced between the 2 parties. During the 1980s and early 1990s, the Democrats started to marginalize their nutjobs. Simultaneously, right wing talk radio and later Fox News empowered them. Which brings me to my point: if we return to a natural state in 20 years, nutjobs will be once again more evenly distributed between the 2 sides of the ideological divide. But we’ve reached the point where Burkean conservatives, who emphasize caution and deliberate change, really belong in the Democratic coalition.
“Burke regarded prudence in all things a virtue, but in politics it was the first of virtues.”
Ok, if we’re just pitting him now, he’s a fucking asshole. I don’t even thinks he believes half the shit he spews, it’s just for a part he plays for money on Fox News.
This is a complete distortion of the facts. The white “genocide” was something put forth by a batshit crazy liberal professor. He was reporting on it. Tucker is not a White Nationalist, but points to you for not using initial caps to give yourself weaselly wiggle room (he is white and he is probably a nationalist). The question he’s asking, which is a valid one, is: is diversity, in and of itself, good? That’s a fine debate to have. But we have people like you who thinking asking the question is beyond the pale. I remember when liberalism welcomed debates like that.
And if he were to stop playing that part of Fox due to being intimidated, there would be someone brought in to replace him who is probably roughly as odious as him or Laura Ingraham. That’s one of the reasons it makes no sense for people to be attacking you in this thread for your stance. Fox News is the totalitarian drug empire; Tucker is a mid-level dealer; the believers who watch are the users.
It’s not a “fine debate” – it’s been definitively answered. The US military proved this over the last ~80 years or so. As has capitalism. In virtually all cases, organizations made up of individuals with a wide breadth and depth of experience and backgrounds, including mixes of race, religion, national origin, sexual orientation, etc., very strongly outperform organizations made up of individuals with uniform experience and backgrounds.
There’s no legitimate disagreement on this topic. America is a lot stronger and more prosperous today because we’ve been a welcoming place for immigrants from all backgrounds.
That Carlson doesn’t realize this shows he’s either incredibly stupid or willing to pander to bigots.
Cite? And for that specific claim.
You’ve set yourself a very high bar.
Regards,
Shodan
This time I’ll stick to my pledge not to engage you on anything related to race, due to your admission that you think it’s sometimes appropriate to call black people n*****s.
So no thanks.
With so many causal factors for American economic growth, what makes you so sure skin color and other facile diversities are so important to success?
The Japanese, South Koreans, and Scandinavians have been successful homogenous societies. Maybe race is not an important factor.
I don’t support mob threats directed toward Carlson or anyone, but let me put it this way: walk up to random street pedestrians, call them moms whores, and see how long it takes before you’re spittin’ some chiclets. Most of us wouldn’t agree with the violence, but on some level, we would understand the impulse. Carlson’s comments aren’t just harmless ideas; they’re offensive as hell. They give prime time legitimacy to ideas that inevitably encroach on, and essentially advocate the infringement of, rights of people who have just as much right to call this country home as that silver spooned little prick. Being a proponent of tighter immigration rules does not in and of itself make a person a racist or a white nationalist. But Carlson’s language makes it obvious that he’s not standing in the median when it comes to racial politics. They’re an integral theme on his program, and he has millions of viewers who believe he’s legitimately qualified to comment on a range of political issues.
What I’m getting at is that his ideas are inevitably going to piss people off. That doesn’t mean that the appropriate response is violence or threats of violence, but it’s inevitably going to invite the fringes to come out of the shadows and have something to say. Generally speaking, the democratic party has rejected and distanced itself from groups like antifa, if for no other reason than the understanding that they won’t attract voters with that kind of hostile rhetoric - hell I doubt antifa are interested in or even know how to vote. By contrast, Republicans regularly use dog whistles and talk about second civil wars and 2nd Amendment solutions because they understand that this message actually DOES resonate with far too many of their voters. And messages of racial hostility resonate with many of Carlson’s viewers. I don’t support violence against them, but if (royal) you don’t want to get punched in the face, maybe start being a little nicer to people. It’s common sense.
This isn’t my claim (certainly nothing about “facile diversities”)… but since you seem constitutionally incapable of engaging honestly and reasonably with a liberal/progressive on this board, I’m not going to bother trying to explain it to you. You’re a weird and hostile guy and your shtick is boring.
One thing I’ve been pondering: to what extent should someone with a large media platform be held responsible for what their audience does, especially if the host is not (directly) advocating for violence?
Let’s say I have a Left Wing talk show, and I decide to show a clip of a tiki-torch wielding White Nationalist on my show. I comment that John Doe is a despicable human being, and that people like him are hurting America. Someone from my 200,000 member audience decides to dox him, and then other people use that information to harass Mr. White Nationalist. Am I to blame for this?
Way to use dismissive and hateful language to claim you do not use dismissive and hateful language.
While I got you, can you answer me a question, real quick?
Is “Judge Jeanine” a liberal, when she says:
Was Anne Coulter a liberal when she wrote Demonic: How the Liberal Mob Is Endangering America?
If I happen to accidently tune my radio to an AM station I hear all about how detestable and hateable liberals are. Is AM radio full of self hating liberals?
Yes, your side uses dehumanizing language, and you are here, doing it right now. It is not productive for our side to respond in kind, which is exactly what I said in the post that you initially chose to take exception to, but I do find it entirely understandable when an individual responds to such language in a negative way.
I get responding to others. But WillFarnaby is so much into right wing conspiracy theories that he just repeats nonsense. He’s just a crackpot. It just seems to be a waste of time to me.
As for the response to me: I’m talking about their official Twitter account for SmashRacismDC that did the protest. They said that Carlson needs to know he isn’t safe, and doxxed his brother and his friend (getting their Twitter account banned), along with the videos of the actual protest. The same organization wrote to Ted Cruz, Trump, and others that “You are not safe. We will find you.” They are using deliberately threatening language. So it is no wonder that people thought they said what they said.
This isn’t about some randos. And I’m not attacking Antifa as a whole. Just this SmashRacismDC. These fuckers don’t get that we cannot be seen as the violent thugs. Protests are very often about aesthetics. People need to see you as the victim, not the perpetrator.
And I’m not saying that Republicans haven’t done bad stuff. But you need to only fight back in kind when they do so. When it just seems like you showed up at some guys house appropos of nothing, not even being sure he was actually there to hear your protest, then you seem like you’re the one picking the fight.
And you don’t actually scare these guys. You give them footage for their political ads.
I have the same request:
Cite? And for that specific claim you made to me.
And yes, you’ve set yourself a very high bar for yourself.
And while we’re at it, I’m unaware of the claim you made regarding Shodan and the phrase “n*****s”. Can you cite what you’re talking about there? Thanks.
Are you friggin kidding me?! When asked to support your claim about what I have said you cite what people other than me have said? Are you a clown? Or just a dishonest idiot that is too stupid to realize that his clumsy sleight of hand would be noticed by anyone with able to see the words on the screen.
And for the record, you dumbbell, I don’t watch or care for Judge Jeanine and think things like “democrats”, “libtards”, etc. are simple childish stupidity. The kind of things idiocy I’d expect you to use if you were on the right.
So, how about you stop you’re lying and embarrassing yourself in your lame attempt to support it.
The lack of morality is the problem not the poor optics.
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Yes, all 10 of them.
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Threatening language should receive the attention of law enforcement IMHO. It’s best to nip this crap in the bud. I’ll note that 2 of the protestors walked off in disgust once the spray can was pulled out. “This isn’t what I signed up for,” one said. Props.
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Moving on to other topics:
Tucker Carlson is a bigot.
a. White supremicists love him for mainstreaming hate.
b. He cherry-picks instances of immigrant crime, and explicitly draws conclusion about the wider group of immigrants. That’s just stone cold bigotry - and blatantly unfair. https://twitter.com/MeasureMeasure/status/1060772211202506752
You can find individual examples of bad cops, bad firemen, bad stock brokers, and sexually harassing Fox News anchors. But that doesn’t say anything about the wider group. And indeed immigrants tend to commit crime at lower rates than the native born. One cite of many: Crime rises among second-generation immigrants as they assimilate | Pew Research Center
c. Carlson, doesn’t include such well known statistical facts: he just engages in smears based upon cherry picked anecdotes (one that happened to be debunked later, in the case above). Stirring the embers of hate is truly outrageous, and something that folks who care about social stability should denounce. Carlson should be shunned in polite company unless and until he renounces his bigoted ways.