Two dead men found in two different Commercial Airline wheel compartments?

I seem to think this is slightly more important than a mere 20 second blurb on CNN…Apparently, the man found yesterday was a stowaway from Nigeria. A black male between the age of 30 and 35. Another was found Christmas day…(apparently the men don’t know how cold it get’s and how much pressure will be exerted on thier brain at 37000 feet)

To me this seems like it could have been an attempt to board international flights bound for the US…I’m not saying any of these people who died had the intent of taking over the plane, but I don’t see why that is not at least a viable deduction…Anyone else? Does this strike anyone as odd or no?

I read a similar account in Readers Digest some years back of a young boy doing just this to escape Cuba I believe it was. He fell out after the plane stopped at the ramp at JFK. He lived luckilly. Had some frostbite as I recall. Seems he was small enough to not get crushed.

Since this is IMHO, I feel it’s okay to say that although I have no idea where, I seem to remember reading about someone doing it last year … it was a transcontinental flight, I believe, that ended up in North America somewhere.

Finding the remains of stowaways in wheel wells is a news story that seems to crop up at least once a year if I recollect rightly (and I tend to only read about those on flights to Europe). Adding those who fall out when unconscious/dead, it does not seem a really uncommon event to have stowaways from poor countries (it seems they usually want to immigrate to rich countries this way, and get directed to this lethal way by unscrupulous entrepreneurs who offer a way to get to rich countries). There was a news story a few years ago about someone who by some medical anomaly survived the India-UK flight, albeit with severe trauma (plus his brother fell out).

I’d think trained terrorists and their associates are a bit more knowledgeable. A coincidence, most probably.

I was expecting mob connections before I was expecting terrorist connections.

There was a news report recently , I forget where, about a Cuban who survived a flight to Canada this way, at about 35,000 feet. So it is possible.

These exact same news stories have been showing up for many, many years, usually several times a year. Stowaways believe they can survive the trip, and usually, they can’t. Most of the time, they are poor people hoping to get to the US (or any other richer country) and make new lives for themselves.

As for taking over the plane, how in the hell would they manage it? There is no way to enter the plane through the wheelwell.

Just to set a new low-water-mark for usefulness of posts in this thread, I feel obliged to remark that being crushed to death in a wheel well sounds much more comfortable than I have been sitting in a middle seat on some flights I have been on…

What’s the difference?

These news stories illustrate the stupidity of current airline security precautions. They may not be able to take over the plane from the wheelwell, but they could sure blow it up. And we are still getting our shoes x-rayed. Even though the only known shoe bomb was a failure and not actually large enough to destroy the plane. They are putting all their security efforts into visible (but useless) things to appease the nervous traveller while still leaving giagantic security holes in not so visible but easy to find places.

How much pressure exerted on the brain? Pressure drops as you climb. You’ll pass out from lack of oxygen. Temperature drops something like 3 degrees for every 1000 feet. A cruise altitude of 34,000 feet will give you a drop of 100 degrees F.

They’re not attempting to hijack a plane unless they are carrying a cordless Sawzall ™. This happens quite often and is driven (flown) by a desire to escape to a better place. There have been cases of frozen bodies that fall out when the wheels are lowered. What’s really gruesome is when an animal is struck on the runway during takeoff. Imagine a plane taxiing up with multiple deer legs sticking out of the nose gear.

Makes you wonder how many people fall out unnoticed when the gear is lowered.

Unnoticed except for the lady who finds Immigrant Bits in her petunia bed. I occasionally read of people who live near airports, who are chagrined to find their backyards turned into impromptu cemeteries.

BoringDad makes a very good point here. My totally uneducated guess is that right now terrorists may be leaning towards hijackings - and using the airplane as a weapon - rather than just simply blowing them up. But if suicide bombers in the Middle East are willing to blow themselves up to kill just a few people, why wouldn’t they sneak into the wheel well of a crowded airplane?

Especially if it’s this bloody easy to sneak on.

The wouldn’t even need to be willing to die. If you can walk up to a plane, sneak into the wheel well, stay there while the plane takes off and die, all without getting noticed, you can also walk up to a plane, hide a time-bomb in there and walk away.

According to this article, at 25,000 feet you have 3 to 6 minutes of “useful consciousness”, after which death can very shortly follow.

The partial pressure of oxygen at that altitude and higher is so low that the tendency is for the pitiful amounts of remaining oxygen in your body to diffuse out of your lungs into the surronding atomosphere. In other words, it sucks the life out of you (yes, a bit of hyperbole, but not too far off the mark). There is an altitude above which even unpressurized 100% oxygen will not be at a high enough pressure to enter the blood stream. I think about 3 lbs of pressure is about as low as you can go and still function reliably with 100% oxygen. I’m not sure where, exactly, that altitude is but it wouldn’t surprise me if civilian aircraft can reach it or get close to it.

If you reached that altitude rapidly (i.e. such as during the ascent phase of a flight) you will also be suffering from the bends as the nitrogen in your bloodstream comes out of solution. Gas in the intestines will expand considerably, causing both extreme pain and extreme episodes of farting and belching. Any pockets of relatively high-pressure air trapped in the ears or sinuses will likewise expand. This can lead to things like blown eardrums and tissue damage in the the sinuses. Any untreated dental problems like an abcess (even one not far enough along to cause pain at sea level) or dental filling that traps air can lead to excruciating pain, or even rupture of tissues or the breaking apart of the tooth in question.

Personally, if I was experiecing explosive farting and belching, suffering from the bends, having blowouts in my ears and sinuses, and having eruptions of poor dental work I’d prefer to be unconcious.

Not to mention the lethal cold. The lapse rate of approximately 3.5 F or about 2 C per 1000 feet has already been mentioned. Street clothes will not be sufficient.

Now - someone might bring up folks who live at high altitudes and who climb Mt. Everest at about 25,000 and survive. Well, yes, the human body does have some capability to adapt to extreme altitude, but 25,000 is really about the upper limit, and even then, only for short visits. Long-term survival at such altitutdes is not possible. And someone living near sea-level in Jamaica or Nigeria will not be acclimatized to 10,000 feet, much less 25,000 or the even altitudes airliners routintely fly.

Clearly, these stowaways are not familar with the above facts. Regrettably, these sorts of stowaways have been leaping aboard and dying in wheel wells for decades. It’s nothing new. It’s getting more attention now because of increased security, that’s all. The miracle is that some folks have survived these journeys - perhaps they were physically better adapted to thin air than average, or the aircraft flew lower than a lethal altitude, or some other quirk allowed survival - extreme hypothermia can lower body metabolism enough to allow survival in low-oxygen environments for a brief time period.

Now, something like the flightsuits worn by fighter pilots around the world would allow for survival in such circumstances, but such specialized attire is generally unavailable to such poor refuges as have, in the past, tried this route of immigration.

Then again - if someone did have sufficient protective gear and a bottle of supplemental oxygen, and successfully made such a wheel-well trip without detection… how would we know about it. hmmm?

This can’t be true for everyone, can it? Haven’t a few people successfully climbed Everest without oxygen? And that’s 29,000ft.

Not that I think spending hours or days in an oxygen-depleted environment is the best way to treat your brain.

Broomstick: Or did you mean 35,000 ft?

I agree. However, the problem isn’t in the US, the problem is overseas. It is a security issue that needs to be addressed by 3rd World countries. Because of recent events, I anticipate future Homeland Security requirements for both domestic and foreign flights.

The nice thing about this problem is that it doesn’t require money to solve. If you advance the Captain’s inspection of the aircraft to 5 minutes prior to block-out then you shorten the window for someone to sneak on. That means you only have to watch the plane for those 5 minutes. I’m sure it already exists but I would add an inspection of 727 rear stairwells before they are retracted.

No - I did mean 25,000 feet. Please re-read the paragraph where I mention adaptation to heights.

Most of this “effect of altitude” information is based on people living at or near sea level and therefore without adaptation to low pressure environments. Someone who lived habitually at 12,000 feet (and stowed away in a wheel well at that altitude) would fair marginally better, but not by much. Even Tibetans who have lived at high altitudes for generations and (apparently) have some inherited adaptations to high altitude do not fair well on the peak of Everest - They might be able to hold out until 30,000 feet (maybe). But even they suffer altitude sickness, hallucinations, disorientation, pain, weakness, and other signs and symptoms altitude sickness and hypoxia at 25,000 feet.

It’s rather like saying most people can hold their breath 30 seconds, they can easily learn to hold it for a minute, some few can hold their breath (after training) 6 or 7 minutes, but no one has ever held their breath for 20 minutes - there are limits to what the human body can cope with.