Crane
April 28, 2020, 8:00pm
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It’s obviously the infra red image of a bird. It’s an accipiter. You can see the outer wing panels fold as it turns in to the wind.
Ryan_Liam:
My interpretation of that is Fravor knows what he saw was something unusual and not easily explained away by either error or malfunction or even a classified military exercise or project. He even mentioned about being teased when he was back on board and how the mood on the ship changed once they realised it wasn’t initially a joke.
What stands out is why have a closed Congressional meeting about something as minor as preventing hazards to air safety.
Not strange as the context also points at other military operations (very likely secret) going on then in the area.
Not impressive either. As the makers of the Advanced Targeting Forward Look Infrared sensor reported when the video was released:
While the video shows a mysterious oval object in the sky, Raytheon said the images captured during the incident are not concrete proof that the pilots were chasing after an actual UFO.
“To really be sure, we would need the raw data,” Dr. Steve Cummings, vice president of Technology Development and Execution at Raytheon Space and Airborne Systems said in a statement. “Visual displays alone are not the best evidence.”
Cummings said the best way to track a UFO is by conducting a “wide-area search of some form or another.”
“I would want want at least two sensors, like radar and [electro-optical/infrared], to search the skies,” he said. “One way to actually verify these and be absolutely certain that this is not an anomaly is to get the same target, behaving the same way on multiple sensors.”
How high can those birds fly? Because that video you’re talking about was taken at 25,000ft.
Crane
April 28, 2020, 8:18pm
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I believe the altitude is 5319 on the display.
But that doesn’t make sense considering they could have stopped all of this from happening by making Fravor and others sign a non-disclosure agreement on threat of a 20 year prison sentence or whatever they do to ensure servicemen and women don’t blab important secrets.
They’re not ruling it out, they just want more verifiable data. You’re ruling it out. How do you explain this?
Prior to the incident, in early November 2004, the Ticonderoga-class guided missile cruiser USS Princeton, part of Carrier Strike Group 11, started recording intermittent radar tracks on an advanced AN/SPY-1B passive scanning phased array radar.[5][4] Thinking the brand new radar was malfunctioning, the Princeton sailors restarted and recalibrated the system but the tracks became sharper and clearer.[19] On or around 10 November, Navy Chief Petty Officer (NCO, E-7) Kevin Day, stationed on Princeton, noticed groups of five to 10 radar traces that were travelling southwards in a loose though fixed formation at 28,000 feet (8,500 m) in the immediate vicinity of Catalina and San Clemente islands.[19] He was startled by their slow speed of 100 knots (190 km/h; 120 mph) at such an altitude[19], but received confirmation of their presence from radar operators on other vessels.[citation needed] The returns continued showing up continuously for almost a week, with sailors observing something moving erratically in the distance through the ship’s magnified binoculars.[19]
Migrating birds fly at a range of between 15-50mph with the fastest migratory bird flying at 60mph.
The altitude is 25,010 ft. I even time stamped it to show the altitude measurement pointed out.
Crane
April 28, 2020, 8:33pm
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If the bird is in a moving air mass, a ground speed of 100 mph would be common. An accipiter would be soaring at ~35mph. In a 65mph air mass would put him at 100mph.
Crane
April 28, 2020, 8:36pm
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Ryan,
Sorry, I’m not smart enough to spot it.
Bottom center of the HUD I see 5319 A.
Crane:
If the bird is in a moving air mass, a ground speed of 100 mph would be common. An accipiter would be soaring at ~35mph. In a 65mph air mass would put him at 100mph.
The image is obviously a bird. You can see the wings, head and tail.
You’re talking about two different UAP incidents. The first one with the Nimitz had the objects at a low speed of 120 mph, the second, with the gimbal UAP, had the object at 25,000 ft, higher than any accipter can reach.
You really think that the real secrets are blabbed? They only need to allow reports of the distraction.
What was it? There are three obvious but uncanny possibilities.
The first possibility is that the Super Hornet pilots, the Super Hornet’s electro-optical sensors and radars, and the USS Princeton’s radars all misinterpreted natural phenomena or malfunctioned at the same time, all of which appeared related but were actually not. Perhaps the Super Hornet’s crew was actually observing a conventional aircraft or even the sun, and had lost situational awareness to the point where they described such everyday objects as “a wingless capsule.” Maybe the Princeton’s radars were malfunctioning and had picked up, for example, two separate flights of birds and interpreted them as an object capable of jaw-dropping speeds. Together, the two crews could have pieced together ordinary, unremarkable events as one single remarkable one.
This is a discomforting explanation, because it assumes that the pilots and the Princeton’s crew were incompetent and unable to discern ordinary objects from extraordinary ones. It also assumes the guided missile cruiser’s radar malfunctioned. If this explanation is correct, none of these pilots should have been flying for the Navy, and the Princeton’s air defense radar has a previously undiagnosed flaw. Given the level of skill necessary to fly from a U.S. Navy carrier it seems extremely unlikely these pilots were prone to fantasy or misidentifying the sun as a white, tic-tac-shaped UFO hovering close to the water.
The second possibility is that the objects are actually operated by an arm of the U.S. government. Rumors of the federal government studying crashed UFOs or experimenting with secret technology have been rampant for decades, though with scant proof. If these were indeed secret U.S. craft, it is clear why they’re being hidden. The Super Hornet was a top of the line aircraft in 2004 and yet the object easily out-maneuvered and out-accelerated it. If America’s enemies mastered such technology, most (but apparently not all) of our armed forces would be defenseless against them.
The third possibility is that the objects were alien craft, piloted by aliens or an artificial intelligence, using technology we can’t even imagine. The objects, their controllers, and their motivations could utterly alien and unknowable.
It is not that I’m ruling it out, it is just that the alien explanation is less likely that the others.
You do realize, I hope, that Project Bluebook is itself the result of a government conspiracy? The military found that they could distract attention away from genuine classified projects by getting the conspiracy nuts all riled up, and so they deliberately fed the conspiracy nuts. It’s no surprise that they found stuff that looks like it might be aliens, because that was the whole goal.
Crane
April 28, 2020, 9:18pm
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Ryan,
Thanks.
The image is clearly a bird. The size of the image does not change with the approach of the aircraft. It looks like the bird image was added.
At 25,010 ft I can’t say I agree with you.
Chronos:
You do realize, I hope, that Project Bluebook is itself the result of a government conspiracy? The military found that they could distract attention away from genuine classified projects by getting the conspiracy nuts all riled up, and so they deliberately fed the conspiracy nuts. It’s no surprise that they found stuff that looks like it might be aliens, because that was the whole goal.
That wasn’t project Bluebook, that was people like Richard Doty
I said that the energy required to set the whole thing up is more than just threatening the pilot and crew members with prison etc if they broke a non disclosure agreement.
Not having a go at you, but I’m not convinced of the more mundane explanations, my reason is purely due to the “Tic tac” UAP looking like it intentionally distracted the pilots from the more larger craft submerged.
I agree, but in this case?I don’t think so.
Five pilots from the VFA-11 “Red Rippers” fighter squadron interviewed by the The New York Times have reported sighting unidentified flying objects “almost daily” while training for a deployment to the Persian Gulf. Three of those pilots have chosen to remain anonymous, while two, Lieutenants Ryan Graves and Danny Accoin, have gone on the record and released several interviews.Radar contacts, infrared detections, and visual sightings by the pilots and weapon systems officers have been reported with Lt. Accoin stating that “multiple sensors [were] reading the exact same thing.” Lt. Graves stated that the objects were showing up at 30,000 feet as well as sea level and could accelerate, slow down and hit hypersonic speeds with manoeuvres “beyond the physical limits of a human crew.”
You are missing a bit there, there are only a few things that require as much energy, effort and money than what was historically seen in many military top secret weapons from the USA, setting up a distraction is hard but less expensive than having people demanding congress for explanations, it is less expensive to lead many into believing that “they are aliens”.
Ryan_Liam:
Not having a go at you, but I’m not convinced of the more mundane explanations, my reason is purely due to the “Tic tac” UAP looking like it intentionally distracted the pilots from the more larger craft submerged.
Like I said…
GIGObuster:
You are missing a bit there, there are only a few things that require as much energy, effort and money than what was historically seen in many military top secret weapons from the USA, setting up a distraction is hard but less expensive than having people demanding congress for explanations, it is less expensive to lead many into believing that “they are aliens”.
But not everyone believes it’s Aliens, alot of people, including myself, are open to the suggestion it’s a classified US military project, but the US military having in their capabilities an aircraft or craft which can do aerodynamic manouvers at sharp banking angles or accelerate thousands of miles per hour in a few seconds? Without any exhaust plumes or aerodynamic markings? Even the F117 didn’t do that.