Uninsured people who oppose healthcare reform

Maybe, but the Dems could be on borrowed time should that happen. If this bill passes, there’s a good chance they will get crushed in 2010. Check out today’s piece in the WaPo. Full disclosure, it’s an opinion piece by a strategist of some kind for W back in 2004:

and

and for those who have been whining in this thread about those evil talk radio types drowning out the Dem message, as the reason why America just can’t wake up and smell the European-style wonderfulness

The piece also details dangers to the GOP should the legislation not pass. So, if you believe this guy, be careful for what you wish for.

No, but you clearly need to go back to English Composition 101. If you’re framing something as your thesis argument then it needs to actually contain the elements you’re claiming that it does. The quote that you selected says nothing about anyone’s desire to buy insurance, whether privately or via a government program or anything else. Nothing. For you to use it as validation of a claim that people don’t want to buy insurance is creating things out of whole cloth.

Your cites are opinion piece garbage. I could give a rip about your so-called cites. Editorials and the flailing of biased pundits aren’t facts.

Medicaid wouldn’t provide them anything, if they’re working, which the majority of uninsured people are, and if they’re single and childless, even if they’re not working, they’re not likely to get a damn thing from Medicaid. So reel that stupidity right back in because it’s just not a part of the reality-based world.

Another stupid talking point. The government isn’t taking anything other. It never was going to take anything over. That phrasing is straight out of the Right Wing Book of Scary Lies.

You know what they say you do when you assume, Smashy old friend? Yeah, you just did it.

Note that none of your speculating extends to why young and currently healthy people “don’t want” to buy insurance. If they have to buy it, that means that it’s not offered to them via their employer. That means buying on the private market – something that only 5% of insured people do – which is outrageously expensive, often so much so that it’s inaccessible to young people who are just starting out, especially if they have a lot of educational debt, and low, starter salaries. As an example, a friend of mine quoted his insurance rate just this morning, as a 28 year old, non-smoking, single white professional male – lawyer – he’s paying $9,600 annually. It’s about 1/4 of his pre-tax salary.

I “don’t want” to buy things that are so extremely pricey that they will create a significant downward change in my standard of living, even if I could if I made a lot of steep sacrifices.

Yes, and the biggest reason why people are uninsured is because of the cost, and there has been sufficient obfuscation and misleading and fearmongering, mostly from opponents of any reform, as to whether reform would lead to price reductions for consumers. One of the strongest aspects of reform in terms of affordability and accessibility was the public option which is now pretty much dead, thanks to that same obfuscation and fearmongering.

Such anger! No wonders liberals are always unhappy.

Oh well, you will be happy to read the latest on it here

Warning! Warning! It’s about future political implications; it could be called an opinion piece!!!

and tumble, just to make it clear, my point was (still is) that the reason people do not want to buy insurance is that they want to save the money. And that’s a rational decision. And it’s backed up with research that took me 5 min.

http://www.env-econ.net/2009/09/some-thoughts-on-health-care.html

you are ranting on that the insurance is too expensive. I don’t necessarily disagree with you, in some cases. I feel like we’re both arguing about the same thing.

(“The sky is blue!!” “No it’s not, it’s above the ground!!!”)

You want to paint them all with a broad brush, implying that they ALL don’t buy it because they cannot afford it. Well, if you’d bother to read the quotes (“I know!!! It’s mere opinion piece tripe!!!”), you’d have seen this one:

Note the reason: they don’t want to buy it because they’ve made a rational tradeoff in their head: they’d rather pay-as-they-go for medical services. Not, “They can’t afford it!!!”

You may reply once you’ve calmed down.

How magnanimous you ignorant coward.

Also, not wanting to buy insurance isn’t rational. Because they want the benefit when they get in a car accident. And they get care when something horrible happens because we as a society don’t let people without insurance bleed to death. So, not buying insurance still lets you get care, but it shifts the price to society at large.

It’s amazing how utterly without thought your opinions are. If you had the slightest bit of integrity you’d cop to it, but you appear to be transparent to humiliation.

Lobo, if you want replies from now on, you’ll improve your manners and refrain from insults.

Better manners. Check!

Dearest Smashy,
I would like to offer to you a suggestion that before you flap your empty head about something, you do, in good faith, at least a bit of research on it.

Also, if it please you, I would request that at your earliest convenience, you be honest about how many times you were utterly and amazingly wrong in this very thread instead of trying to divert attention by changing subjects or random posts that are not on topic.

In summation, you are a perfect example of the willful and enthusiastic stupidity embraced by the right in recent years. You are, if I may say, a living caricature.

Your humble servant,
Lobohan

It’s not like you’ve been treating those who have been dealing with you seriously any better.

Indeed. I find that when someone tries to engage with you seriously without insults, you pretty much drop a one-liner or ignore.

past edit window… “you” above refers to Mr. Smashy, not Bosstone, of course.

Well, I do the same thing too, so all’s fair. :smiley:

Please go back and read the entire post. yeah, I know that’s alot.

Note who began all this, with everything from

coward
stupid
ignorant
shitbrain (post 41)
mealymouthed
uninformed
whore
ignorant lying coward (post 97)
stupid fuck
cultist
moderately bright (WTF!!!) (post 98)
ignorant coward (again)
obtuse
dense

That takes us halfway through this thread. Finally I came to the realization that the only people who talk that way are lefty college kids, holed up in their dorm room (ie internet tough-guys). They think they know everything, but in reality don’t know much.

So I finally (mildly, IMHO) pointed that out, in post 121.

And you folks, in your Vietnamesque sense of scale, have equated that.

So, as I said before, hey it’s the Pit, he can say anything he wants. But I have no desire to either return fire at his highly intellectual level, nor will I respond until that young man learns some manners.

I don’t care where you are on the political spectrum, or what you think about Obamacare. If you can’t see the reality of this situation, then this board may be beyond all hope.

I was actually going to join (ie, pay) today, but if it’s mostly a bunch of angry lefties unwilling to engage in reasonable debate, then what’s the point? (I make exceptions for
M4M and joebuck, who may have wished that he never started this mess…)

Thats all you have been called in the pit? Jeez, you aren’t even trying. What about buttface, dweezil dick, homo erectus injectus, weiner, fart huffer, dildo breath, jizz blizzard lizzard, nerf herder, plippy ploppy, slippy sloppy, and poop head? Pbbbssh. :smiley:
You get people to take you more seriously when you don’t use Fox News gotcha words such as “Obamacare” or the like. I support HCR and I don’t call it that. Thats lame. I dunno man, I can see some of your points but you haven’t really been debating that well either. People take debating on a more academic level than you might be used to (cites that aren’t opinion pieces, for the most part)

Welcome to the SDMB BBQ Pit. Shit, fuck, and ass.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

But that’s my point. You’ve still snarked at M4M and others unnecessarily. I mean, Eskimo-land? What are you, 6?

And yet, you only respond in a substantive way to the insults. You don’t engage with my cites and reasonable comments. I’m not surprised by this (lack of) response, given the forum, but don’t bitch about it yourself. I’m not equating your comments with others - I’m just noting that you appear to be enjoying dragging the insults out of people, since you’re engaging with them, and not with people that do not insult you.

eta: in other words, you are playing the “look at all the lefties being mean to me” game.

42

LOL

absolutely

Poor Mr. Smashy. ::tear::

Remember people, nobody’s feeling get hurt faster than a conservative. Please use your kid gloves.

It appears to me that Mr. Smashy is quite enjoying collecting insults. When he gets one, he lovingly gazes at it, sniffs it a bit and rubs it on himself a little. Then he puts it into a special box on a shelf.

After he gets enough of them, he gathers them all together into a pile and rolls around on them. When he’s done touching them all over, he gets them all full of static by rubbing them on his hair. He can them stick the insults all over his body, and sit in the corner with a sad look on his face, while saying “look at how mean all the lefties are to me!”

I think you will find that all of those insults were completely justified and only used in the sense that they perfectly describe the rickety collection of defects you call a personality.

:smiley: