UnitedHealthcare CEO fatally shot in Manhattan [breaking news: 2024-12-04]

His website bio doesn’t mention a New York bar license - it only says he “practices in over 50 counties of Pennsylvania and in Federal court.”

Two ironically related items in the news today:

  • Mangione’s lawyer says he “needs to be convinced” that police have the right man

  • Police now have a positive fingerprint match with prints from the crime scene to add to all the other evidence

The law is kinda like home plate umpiring. It’s not a ball or a strike or a hit until the umpire says it is. No matter what you thought you saw.

He’s not extraditable until the judge says he is. And one of those elements is the judge seeing sufficient identity evidence to support that.

Which, as that attorney rightly says, has not yet happened. Admittedly he’s using simplified language that goes easily into news reports. But IMO that’s what he means.

My husband, the conspiracy theorist, is already saying they don’t have the right guy. On the grounds that Mangione has almost a mono-brow, and the guy in the security video has a huge gap between his eyebrows.

Appears to have, in my estimation. He showed me comparison photos. I took them about as seriously as I take that one picture of Prince Harry/Duke of Sussex that’s always juxtaposed with one picture of James Hewitt. Since about the turn of the millennium, gossip sites have been using those specific photos to “prove” that the Duke is Hewitt’s son. Except that there are myriad pictures in which the Duke looks like every other Windsor male, that never get included in these “exposes”. So it’s gonna take more than one set of photos to convince me that Mangione is innocent or a patsy.

That said, we both don’t appreciate the healthcare system.

I think you perhaps don’t understand the amount of suffering and death that resulted from the victim’s job.

I don’t support murder or other acts of violence, so I do not see Mangione as a hero, but I can see why others do.

So many people would do that kind of evil for $10 million / year. My heroes are the ones who refuse to.

Nicely said. The only reason the guy was able to do the job and still sleep at night is that after a while all kinds of evil just becomes routine when you do it day after day. Policyholders who die from lack of health care or are forced into bankruptcy were just a statistic to him, and moreover, one with a positive impact on the bottom line.

From the reporting that I saw, one of the early reports was a short statement from Thompson’s wife, adding that she was being brief because she was consoling the kids. It was only later that I saw reports that they had been living apart for some time. Maybe others also made the “family man” comments before they knew that. But even so, he was still a father with two teenage sons.

There was a stat (don’t know the source yet) that the denial rate at UHC almost tripled by the end of Thompson’s first year.

I’ve also heard he was popular with his staff, but that’s also unsourced.

Police are now warning health insurance companies of security risks, after a purported hit-list was posted online.

They shall reap what they sow. When the next Mangione uses a bomb and kills some innocent bystanders, those cheering Mangione along will have blood on their hands.

And for those who were saying the glory will die quickly - I don’t think so. The legend is growing. Look at this (maybe fake) Culver ad. I have also seen one from Burger King.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NFCNorthMemeWar/comments/1hbji37/i_can_get_behind_this_latest_ad_campaign/

I haven’t seen that particular stat, however multiple sources report that UnitedHealthcare had the highest denial rate of any major health insurer, nearly one out of every three claims. The 32% denial rate is exactly twice the industry average of 16%, which itself is pretty horrific considering that medically necessary health care morally should never be denied.

That’s true. Also true, anyone who profits directly or indirectly (hedge funds etc.) off these ‘healthcare’ companies also have blood on their hands.

Clearly, the solution here is to take all executive officers of onerous health insurance and unified care companies, remove them to a remote, ‘undisclosed location’ like Guantanamo Bay Naval Base, and keep them incommunicado for both their own safety and everyone elses’…

Stranger

All the blood on the hands of the insurance executives doesn’t bother you, though?

The sad fact is, American society readily accepts death and injury as long as it’s indirect or out of sight. I’m thinking of health(-denial-of-)care, but also drugs, legal and illegal; obesity and the uniquitous cheap unhealthy food; guns; oh so many other things. I don’t think a little more blood on our hands is even noticeable.

That’s all to the side, though: what I want is for people like Thompson and corporations like his company to be held accountable, and I don’t think killing someone on the street is an effective way to do that. On the other hand, I don’t know what would be effective short of having people grow both a conscience and a backbone.

Se let’s see … the suspect resembles the shooter so closely that he was ID’d by a McD’s employee and arrested; the suspect has the same fingerprints as were found at the crime scene; the suspect had a gun and silencer of the same appearance and caliber as the gun used to commit the murder; the suspect had fake ID that matches the ID used in the NYC hostel; the suspect had a three-page manifesto railing against the health insurance industry. Yeah, they definitely have the wrong guy! :rofl:

Getting corporate money out of campaign financing would be a good start. Good luck getting any traction on that from either major party, though.

“I was framed, man. There was this one-armed guy…”

Stranger

Well, I don’t know. You “grow up” in an industry and it all just feels normal, I think.

I’ve spent my entire career in pharmaceuticals, now at a pretty senior level. I’ve been told many times how evil the pharmaceutical industry is. I don’t think it is, and I don’t think I am, even though I can point to some evil deeds and policies (not mine, in general). I’ve worked on products that have saved lives.

Sorry, can you please point to where I said that? I’d appreciate it, thanks.

I didn’t say that you said that. I asked the question because your statements prompted it.

I saw a meme today. It was a picture of a gyro on top of Mangione’s head.