PF’s Husband is taking down supplies for people. He can’t come back with anything but animals. Would it make you happy if he did not bring any animals back?
I wasn’t talking about government resources. But I wouldn’t find much wrong with delivering supplies and taking back animals if I wasn’t actively involved in rescuing animals instead of humans or getting in the way of human relief efforts. But if taking back animals that people have saved when they could have been saving humans, then I would be contributing to a shitty thing to do.
I’ve picked up an Irish Setter on I-27 in Lubbock once and called animal control to get him because I didn’t want him to get ran over. I wouldn’t have lost sleep if it was ran over, but I did pick it up. I’ve even had a Wienerdog decide that he’d found a new home at my place that his phone number on his collar. I called the owners, put him in my yard, and fed and watered him while his owners came for it. I usually don’t even kill spiders. I feed Hummingbirds. I’m not an animal hater. I don’t pull the wings off of butterflys for kicks.
But my blood has been boiling other animal rights people since they outlawed a couple of event in Mexican rodeo Charreada in my home state. They haven’t slacked off a bit. They’ve tryed to outlaw trapping, to outlaw hunting mountain lions with dogs, to outlaw hunting coyotes with greyhounds, etc. This helping animals instead of humans while humans need help is a symptom of this animal rights movement. I don’t like it, and I don’t approve of it. Sorry.
Obviously I shouldn’t express that in MPSIMS by hijacking threads. This Hurricane has gotten me all stirred up. Anyone is right to pit me on that. But as to my opinions on the priority of animals being extremely low in a huge, human disaster when human need is extremely high, I can find NOTHING wrong with them and cannot hold the opinions of those that are different on the issue with much respect.
I think I’ve exactly the same “epidermic” (does this word makes sense in english?) reaction towards people who give too much importance to pets and feel too concerned about the well-being of pets. In a case like this, I can’t deny it upsets me to read people stating “poor dogs!” or something to this effect. Who cares about fucking dogs when people are dying? Apparently, many do…
Worst is when people state that they would rescue a pet rather than a human. Though posters didn’t state so in this thread, some did in previous threads…and to my dismay, very few expressed any outrage over such statements.
I can’t help but perceive this as a lack of concern for fello humans. Actually, what else could it be, if you chose to save the life of an animal rather than of a human? As I stated in an older thread, this kind of things is highly distressin for me. What can you hope when there are around you otherwise sensible people who would rather save fluffy than you? It mean you can’t rely on fellow humans. I find this mentality twisted beyond my ability to accept.
Like, once again, I stated in a previous thread, it’s the kind of things that make me feel “stop the planet, I want to leave”. You’re going to tell me that there are worst things going on, but actually it gives me the same kind of feelings. For instance, I know that regardless of the circumstances, if there’s some dictatorship or civil war tomorrow and someone tells “kill them, torture them, exterminate them”, there will be plenty of people to do so, and many with a perfectly good conscience. Reading this kind of thread, you know that there are also plenty of people who will shed tears about fluffy but not about other humans, and will save the former rather than the latter. And it won’t seem an abhorent behavior to many others.
That’s “hope-breaking”. You enjoy the thought that the world could be a better place if only… and then you’re faced with the stern reality of people stating “let’s kill them all” or “let’s save fluffy”.
Really? No one has advocated helping animals now befor the humans in nedd are taken care (or even evactuated)? :rolleyes:
Then, you’re not the person I was refering to, since this person clearly stated that he or she couldn’t relate to other footages he or she had seen, but could relate to this “kid separated from dog” scene…
Indeed, it wasn’t you but ** earthworm Jim **
You brought up taxpayer dollars way back on post 186, so I assumed you thought PF’s husband’s efforts were somehow taking them. If I was wrong, I apologize.
Do you know that the animals saved came at the cost of saving humans? I would think that some animal shelters would have been filled from people evacuating before the storm hit. Once the staff had to leave themselves, those animals were left anattended. Many NO residents probably walked to various staging areas and human shelters with their pets. When they were evacuated, the pets were left behind. Other animals may have been roaming free and are being picked up after the humans.
I’ve seen many reasons/excuses for why it is taking so long to get people out of NO. No one has mentioned that animals are being saved first or that animal rescue efforts are getting in the way.
UNattended! :smack: I have no idea what “anattended” is!
There is another reading to that, and it need not strain credulity to accept it. The mind can be numbed by scenes of such horror that it shuts down emotionally. Something like the picture of the boy and his dog can is small enough, and personal enough, to get through. I don’t think earthworm jim meant that the bodies were meaningless to him, only that they were to alien to comprehend.o
Ah.
Jim did give a pretty good explanation though.
[Quote=Channeling Ted Nugent]
I want to know why, you little shit stain, that you put people down for trying to help.[/tn]
Tell us. Tell us now. PF’s husband left to help. He is taking water, food, clothes and emergenciy supplies to NO. For People.
He has the ability to save some animials on the way back. Why is that wrong?
Unregisterd Bull. In MPSIMS, you attacked someone in need. A women that was proud of her husband. A woman that was too sick to help. A woman that wanted a little support and a few good lucks. A woman that is proud of her husband. A woman that was worried for her husbands safety.
UB, You. Are. An. Asshole.
It’s been a long time since I’ve laughed that hard at a pit post. Well stated, Miss Purl.
After slogging through all five pages of this, I had an epiphany. I initially thought I agreed with Unregistered Bull’s philosophy, but was annoyed because he’s such an ill-mannered boor. Now I realize I don’t agree with him.
First, just for background, I’m neither an animal-rights activist nor an animal-hater. I like my horse better than several people I know, and I’d take my cat’s company over quite a few people. On the other hand, I’ve competed in rodeos, I think PETA is managed by morons, and I think Earth First is a dangerous terrorist organization.
Now, UB’s position is that people are always more important than animals. He feels that if I donate $100 to human rescue and $10 to animal rescue I’m a cad for not giving the full $110 for humans.
I just bought a sack of cat food for $30. I suppose I have the choice of letting the cats starve (or go feral) and sending the $30 to (human) rescue operations, so that means I’m putting my cats above people. I just harvested 35 acres of alfalfa on my property. I must consider my livestock more important than people, or I would have planted corn or beans or something. Heck, I just fed my iguana a zucchini instead of sending the zucchini to New Orleans. I guess my animals must be pretty darned important to me, Bull.
On the other hand, I bought $10 worth of music from the Apple store last week to load into my iPod. Since I didn’t send the $10 to the Red Cross, I must love my iPod more than people!!!
And I just spend $70 (!) to fill up my gas tank. Sounds like I love my truck more than people.
And I spent $20 on weed killer. What the heck does that mean?
I guess it just means we all have our own priorities in life, and you’re just being an obnoxious cad.
I can just feel the love. But you might want to hold off wishing death on me until Tuesday. I’m feeding my brother’s family’s dog while they’re out of town. 
I didn’t see his explanation. I’m sorry if I stepped on his lines,
I was seeing a therapist on Thursday and was telling her about the horrors unfolding in New Orleans. (She had not seen any news since the previous night.) I could see her face go pale and finally she just said “Don’t tell me anymore. It’s incomprehensible. I don’t understand. I don’t understand. I don’t understand.”
OK, you’re a fucking jerk. But that’s funny.
Even I have pointed that out, I believe. I shouldn’t have hijacked the thread. Though my feelings about the whole matter really haven’t changed. I think that her husband and her are the type of people that I normally hate. Animal rights people contributing to the world wide tradgedy to freedom that animal rights is.
According to a thread in General Questions the SPCA is right in there behind human rescuers rescueing animals instead of humans. Now I think that using those two boats solely for human rescue would be the right thing to do at this time. I also think that not enabling the SPCA to waste resources in this manner would be the right thing to do. Conversely enabling them to by acting as a ferry service for animals that were saved instead of humans, is a wrong thing.
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=6540738&postcount=8
Unregistered Bull. Let’s see if I can make this really, really clear and simple to you.
Nobody here–nobody–is suggesting that humans have a higher worth than animals. Nobody is suggesting animals should be saved at the expense of other human lives. If it comes down to helping homeless human beings and helping stray dogs, I have no doubt that anyone here will choose the homeless people.
But it is possible to help humans and animals together, without harming anyone in need, and it doesn’t make you a shitty person for doing so. Really.
Oh you really are a jerk. You really haven’t got the hang of that apologizing thing, have you?
UB, the thread you linked to only says that the SPCA follows the other agencies in. It doesn’t say anything about taking boats that could be used for humans.
Maybe they aren’t allowed to help humans. Hey, in this thread it was mentioned that boats were turned away from helping!
If animal rescue efforts take priority over human efforts, I agree that’s wrong (as would likely many people participating in this thread). But I haven’t seen that’s the case.