It doesn’t matter whether the US recognizes dual citizenship, really. They have no control over other countries’ citizenships.
The can make it very difficult to go to another country if you claim dual citizenship with that other country.
I didn’t really think there was much prospect for recovery from his first term of office. He was pretty open and honest about who he is and what he stands for and he got elected. The office of President was never going to be very shiny after that.
Stay and fight? I’m not a good candidate for assassin. I have no reason to be anywhere close to him and I don’t own a gun. I can fantasize about offing him with a paring knife or a potato peeler.
Is any nation as of yet offering refuge to Americans wanting to run? I’ve been thinking for a long time now that this is the only place I’ve ever lived (nationally I mean; I’ve moved around considerably within the US), and that I’d like an alternative perspective.
As I’ve mentioned elsewhere in a similar thread awhile back (might have been pre-election) I’m late middle-aged, rapidly approaching an adequately-funded retirement, recently purchased a property, and I live one of the bluest areas of one of the bluest states. I anticipate nothing (or not a lot) good in the coming years, including potentially direct financial impacts from Trump if he starts dicking around with SS/medicare in some half-assed way. But I have no kids of my own to worry about, my nieces and nephews are in no position to leave, and I live virtually next door to my elderly parents who aren’t going anywhere. Impacts on me are unlikely, one fervently hopes, to be much more than “first-world problems.” Y’know, barring inescapable disaster/societal collapse. I might have to tighten the metaphorical belt, but I most likely won’t end up homeless and destitute even in a kleptocratic faux-democracy state. Oh, yeah - I’m also white and male.
Also even beyond the potentially many months/years of difficult hoops-jumping, I’m a little uncertain of my ability to financially pull off a comfortable first world emigration as an aging retiree. I have legacy options exactly nowhere. And I don’t really want to go with something like the Costa Rica/Phillipines option - I despise humid heat.
So, I’m staying put. The alternatives seem like a lot more work for an uncertain improvement in my declining years, especially considering I wouldn’t be dragging any family along. I might feel differently if I was twenty years younger and thought I could land a decent job overseas.
Depending on the countries involved, it may doable but not especially simple. You may have to be extremely careful to hide one citizenship when you travel - which can require a certain amount of care and attention when traveling through multiple countries, with advantages accruing to different passports along the way.
I don’t speak from personal experience, having only ever been eligible for a US passport, but I have had quite a few multi-passport friends who narrowly dodged complications when figuring out which passport to use to enter/leave certain countries.
How? The United States allows its citizens free travel (at the moment). Removing that would be quite a large step towards authoritarianism.
This is the only issue I’ve ever heard of in practical terms: if your country doesn’t allow dual citizenship, and you acquire a second citizenship, you have to take great pains to keep the first country from finding out.
The only two options, really, are “first country doesn’t recognize (but doesn’t care about) your other citizenship(s),” or “first country will strip you of citizenship once they find out you have a second citizenship.” The US has long (always?) had new citizens swear that they rescind prior citizenships, but that’s performative—the individual has no control over how their former country regulates citizenships.
I personally feel “stuck” in the status quo. I’m a middle aged dude who nevertheless fits at least three categories that conservatives hate. I’m a libtard, and it’s too much on the internet to hide. I currently live in a blue area of a blue state, so not in immediate danger, but still feeling uncomfortable.
I have a two year old mortgage in a place I really like. I have a lot of money invested retirement and investment accounts. I have a very good job that it would only be wise to give up if I was SURE it was the sane thing to do. Both of these likely need some semblance of economic stability to keep afloat. I have young children in my life that I care about deeply whom I am related to, but have no parental authority over.
Basically, I can worry all I want, but actually making major life decisions to prepare for the end of democracy and fascism would be so disruptive to my life that I would suffer greatly if anything close to normal persists, so I’m extremely reluctant to take those kinds of steps the way things are now. I acknowledge that by the time that it’s evident that it’s the right thing to do, it’s probably too late and I’ll lose everything anyway. But that doesn’t change the consequences of moving wrongly or too soon.
(This is, as I’ve mentioned before, why I wonder so much about those who DO think it’s all over. To what extent are they willing to blow up their normal for the things they’re sure will happen?)
I had been exploring the option to do so since February of 2024 and got very serious about it in August. Went there is November and that sealed the deal.
For what it’s worth, my wife and I made it happen in just under ten months, start to finish. But we’re both in technology management, which is an exceptionally portable career track.
Even so, it was very, very hard, continuous effort every day across the whole ten months.
In answer to the OP, I will point out that the “final straw” will vary considerably from person to person, depending on circumstances. There is no single universal threshold. For us, it was driven primarily by our kids, and their safety and future opportunity. For someone else, the motivating factors, and the trigger point, will be different.
P.S. Edit to add, it probably doesn’t need to be said, but we are deliriously happy to no longer be in the US.
Kid Cheesesteak is going to college soon, so that’s a big issue with getting out.
Mrs. Cheesesteak is very concerned about women’s rights, and Trump fouling the economy with his BS.
I figure if everything here is going to shit, my family can “pass”, the reality is whatever Trump does to marginalize groups, we are likely going to skate by. Part of me wants to say screw it and move to Vancouver, or London, Dublin, or Amsterdam and just exist with people and government who aren’t completely insane.
Thank you. What country did you move to?
Seems like a quick turnaround. Good thing you can do it so fast.
Thank you. What country did you move to?
Seems like a quick turnaround.
I’ve spent a lot of time in Japan. It’s a great country, but it’s somewhat culturally closed off to outsiders.
I can understand that. One possibility however, if it does get bad enough, is to continue teaching students…but doing so in another country.
The model I foresee is closer to home. I see the Republicans trying to restore the Jim Crow south but on a national scale. They’ll allow the existence of sham elections and opposition but there won’t be any real democracy.
I will stay but I don’t have much fight left in me.
I’ve conditioned myself to be in survival mode for the foreseeable future.
This is probably alarmist, and I don’t know whether acceptance letters have been received yet, but a gap year followed by enrolment at a foreign university might be something to consider. But I’m really depressed by the way US checks and balances don’t check or balance, and the general anti-university sentiment, so perhaps take my doomsaying with a grain of salt. University administrators are not exactly profiles in courage as a species, so I would worry that the quality of education will drop precipitously over the four years (though fees won’t).
True. I spent an academic year there in college, and in spite of lots of human contact I still felt very isolated at times. This time I would have a sort of built-in family (in-laws) plus living with my husband. I wouldn’t recommend it for a foreigner on their own unless they speak and read the language pretty well and are very outgoing (I’m not).
I do not believe there will be a 2028 election, because there is no guarantee there will be a 2026 election. Trump is moving fast. So many stupid Americans believe in him. Corporate media supports him. Corporate america supports him. And so many who oppose Trump just vacillate and whine.
We are in a real civil war. My grave fear is by the time Americans start dying enmass, (Avian flu epidemic/pandemic? Multiple Kent State events? Food shortages? Energy shortages? Termination of social security safety net and collapse of IRA/401(k) wealth?) too many will think, “Gee, I never thought this would happen,” it will be past too late.
And yes, you can laugh at me and ridicule me all you want. Because if I’m wrong, I’ll admit in several years from now. But if I’m right, many reading this will not be here and it will be too late because you are not taking all this shit seriously.
“Land of the Free, and Home of the Brave?” Bullshit. Americans with their Constitution, democracy, and freedom at stake are fucking wimps.
Not really, as I had been considering moving to Mexico for a few years prior to choosing the Philippines. The fact that they speak English in the Philippines is a huge plus. That and Mexico has significant crime issues, where as the Philippines is relativly as safe (or safer) than the US. Also, your dollar goes further in the Philippines. I see the cost of living in Mexico rising in the future as they become even more industrialized.
I’ve done a lot of international travel in my working years, including Japan, Thailand, Malaysia and the Philippines. So I’m not going in blind, expecting everything to be a paridise.
Luxembourg.
Still Luxembourg.
I was going to ask what this means doing, but I already have a thread about it. I’m just not sure that screaming “DO SOMETHING” is particularly useful.