Jeezus, get off the Michale jackson thing already or at least Pit each other someplace else. Some of us want to bitch about the disappointing behavior in the prison.
Does the UCMJ still allow for execution? Because Left Hand of Dorkness given what I know of Arab culture that’s the only restitution acceptable to the victims & families & the Middle East at this point for these acts.
Execution would take care of Point 1
Point 2 would allow an Iraqi to do it…or maybe The President himself, he certainly has no compunction about killing Americans and Texans (no matter how ill-informed or mentally competent).
It is the ONLY way to address point 3. I wouldn’t suggest offering monetary compensation to the Arab families/victims unless a severed head of an offender accompanies it.
Point 4 would be a 3 minute public square address for each offender with the gallows in the background.
Point 5 is impossible while the US is involved in the system in any way. We now proudly wear the “irredeemable” stigma and are no better than the dictator we deposed.
[disclaimer]The above may be irrational. At this time, Inigo Montoya is not rational.[/disclaimer]
Well, as DoC mentioned, it might turn out to be even worse than that – these guys were trying to “soften up” the prisoners, so that they would “break”. The actions were most likely encouraged by the inquisitors.
It really does boggle the mind. I used to be of the opinion that, no matter how stupid it was to go into Iraq in the first place, it was imperative, both from a moral and practical perspective, to stay and finish the job, no matter the cost. Now I’m starting to think that we and they would be better off if we just left.
That’s damn scary, and until now the idea that we need to cut and run has been awful to me, obviously untrue. But at this point, I’m having real trouble imagining even a change in our administration being sufficient to slow the bloodshed.
I’m trying to wrap my head around the idea of a guy who runs a US prison in civilian life being involved in these actions. I hope that he’s just acting out fantasies here in Iraq, things he always wanted to do back home but was prevented from doing by his prison’s regulations. The alternative–that he was simply running the prison in the way he was accustomed–is even worse.
I think there are leaders in the U.S. military who think torture is just another tool of war. I never got any sense that the military was really all that repentant about the shit that was taught in the School of the Americas
Yeah, I tried that when the Afghani torture stories broke. I got an acknowledgement letter from one of my Senator’s and got added to Tom Delay’s contribution list.
Ya dolt. They were already on it! Are the prisoners in question common Iraqi civilians? Or are they combatants who might have information that could be extracted to prevent further bloodshed (needs of the many outweighs the needs of the few, etc)? I disapprove of torture, wrong and all, you know. But I’m not the one needing the info either… While this episode does show disregard for Iraqis and humanity in general, I still am not ready to make the leap of logic required to view this operation as the enthrall ment of a nation to the servitude of the US. i still don’t buy that. I for one am still giggling. :wally
I have never been a multilateralist by any means, as some of you know. However, this case appears cut and dried. These filthy, vile, evil bastards must be drummed out of the US military dishonorably, and then handed over to be tried under the Geneva Convention. What they’ve done is nothing less than a war crime and an atrocity.
They’ve sullied the name and reputation of the largely humane and honorable US military almost beyond immediate repair. People will be talking about this incident for decades. Full reparations to the prisoners and their families might help, but only a little. The specter of American military torture (not to mention incompetence. US soldiers under the command of CIVILIANS?! It beggars belief.) has been raised, and it will not go away any time soon.
This is not surprising :crinkle crinkle: since it is well known that Bush Enterprises has siezed control of the mental novacaine that is the US media, given it the strawman name “liberal media” (which moniker is debunked by Al Franken) to give the illusion that it is out to smear the GOP, and has been controlling the flow and spin of our info ever since.
(where’s my ketchup?..ah, here we go :squirt: )
:dons foil hat:
Now, please, unless it has to do with torturing the evil and much maligned Iraqis shush about it.
However, I don’t feel like I have any choice but to do it anyway. We have to be vocal about this. We just have to. So I am calling and writing every one of my representatives and begging them to move heaven and earth to get our military the fuck out of Iraq NOW. Those poor people. Can you even begin to imagine the uprising that would happen if a foreign military occupied our country with armed soldiers patroling the streets and then torturing and humiliating the prisoners they took along the way? HOLY FUCK! This madness MUST BE STOPPED.
Iraq was not the imminent threat to the United States that was claimed a year ago.
Well, one could posit that the cruellest torture of all would be to subject the Iraqis to 24/7 Michael Jackson media coverage, but somehow I’m not feeling up to such jokes. Looking at the photos on the linked sites is sickening and horrifying. Looking at the smug faces of the torturers makes me want to smash them. Contemplating how this further degrades the US in the eyes of the world, and puts our citizens in and out of uniform at even greater risk, infuriates me.
And, of course, this has taken place in Saddam Hussein’s torture prison. :rolleyes: How much more symbolic can it get??
Now there are pictures of British troops mistreating a prisoner being shown on UK TV - including pissing on him (Not confirmed real yet - not many details)
Fuck it - I’m going to wrap my entire body in tinfoil and listen to Micheal Jackson tunes 'til my brain goes numb.
