Valley of the Little Shits

The BBQ Pit
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*Originally posted by Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor *
[li]As for “bad behavior”, I don’t recall that being the issue, dumbshit. The issue was that dantheman had a crappy day at work, some little fat kid took up too much room to suit dan, the kid farted, & then apologised. Now dantheman wants to kick all the kids off the train forever.[/li][/quote]

Your reading skills are below average. Either that or you’re a baldfaced liar.

Back up your assertions.

Cite where I said I had a bad day at work (I hadn’t).
Cite where I wanted to kick off every kid (if you can find someone to read the OP to you, you will note I said “these particular” kids, referring to the troublemakers).

Your posts are belligerent and completely without merit. It’s one thing to disagree with someone, but it’s another thing to willfully misrepresent. You have knowingly (unless you’re so obtuse that you can’t see other people in this thread pointing our your errors) misinterpreted the thread and have attempted to twist it around to suit yourself. This usually indicates that you have your own serious personal issue with the subject at hand. If this is the case, please get counseling as quickly as possible before the voices in your head get out of hand.

All you’ve done is fly into a screaming rage, basing your weird opinions on nothing but your own whim. You’ve been selective in ignoring the most important parts of other people’s posts, while focusing instead on only those points on which you wish to have your very own hissy fit.

You make up information when none is available, rather than asking for it. This makes you a liar and a fraud.

I find it quite ironic that you’re instructing gobear to read the OP, when you apparently haven’t read more than a couple of sentences of it. This makes you a liar, a fraud, and a hypocrite.
I think most of us are too weary of your stultifying logic to try to pick apart your posts line by line. As I said before, you’re making no sense and are only using this forum to shriek like a scorned little girl.

It’s a good thing that the reputation of a member does not depend solely on his or her contribution to any one thread, else you’d almost certainly be out on your ass for your consistent illogical, boorish behavior.

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Throughout this thread, you have attempted to generalise the behavior of all children on the subway based on one group. As have others.

I was giving you the benefit of the doubt. Otherwise, I would be compelled to assume that you were merely a vicious misanthrope or else a whinning oversensitive baby.

You’ve got a lot of crust posting that. It constitutes “the pot calling the kettle black”.
You also have the fun trick of ignoring the fact that I was replying to the posts of others, and attempting to suggest that they were directed to you as a response. This done as a calculated ttempt to mislead other poster. I say “attempted” because the typical Doper is too intelligent to fall for such a thin & unconvincing pretence.

I have made up nothing. And show one deliberate lie. You can’t, for there aren’t any.

This is theBBQ Pit. Get used to it, sissy. If you wanted cool heads, & polished etiquitte, you should have posted a mild version in IMHO.

My determined responses are based on my strong, personal belief that banning the kids from the subway would be as stupid as the various “zero tolerence” laws that get kids expelled for bringing tiny toy replicas of weapons to school. I will not apologise or back down from this.

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Being boisterous is a natural part of being a child, but I get more than a strong impression that what Danthemam is describing here is wild, reckless behavior that doesn’t just irritate, but endangers other people. Throwing things and jostling passengers. Passengers unable to enter or exit the train because they are blocking the doors.

“There are days when this isn’t a problem. Sure, the kids will talk loudly, congregate in groups, and generally be a little disruptive. But it’s not a real problem; they’re kids, and most people don’t pay them much attention,” says Dantheman. So it’s not just plain simple rowdiness that he is complaining about. It’s obnoxious dangerous bahavior.

I just have to ask, Dan–the kid who jostled you and apologized. Did he say something like, “Oh, I’m really sorry about that! I didn’t mean to hit you!” Or was it a quick little, “Sorry.” followed by more of the same pushing and shoving? I suspect the latter.

Bosda, I have three kids of my own and I know that they will be loud and such, but where do you draw the line? They are to be allowed anywhere, and behave any way? So then what? “I know they disrupted your husband’s funeral, Aunt Jane, but you know, they are just kids! That’s how kids are!” There ARE limits as to what is acceptable–even for children. They don’t just get to a point where they say, “OK now I have to start behaving properly because I am now 21 yrs old.” It takes time to teach them–a spoiled child doesn’t just start acting responsibly because he reaches a certain age. You can’t just give kids a license to act any old way just because they are young. You saw the word “apologize” and didn’t read any further, apparently. If, on the train, I accidentally was to, say, stab you in the legs with a closed umbrella I would apologize and MOVE the thing so that it wouldn’t happen again. You would not be convinced of my proper upbringing if I said “Oh sorry” and kept on jabbing you. I was taught this AS A CHILD. It wasn’t injected into me the day I became an adult. Being a child does not make any and all behavior OK–there ARE lines to be drawn between rowdiness and obnoxiousness. I love my kids with a fierceness akin to a lioness. But that does NOT mean that all their behavior is acceptable to me. I teach them (or try to!) BECAUSE I love them–not because I want to have three little automatons who are afraid to say “BOO” in public. I want kids that people are pleased to have around–not kids that inspire others to think, “Oh shit, here those brats come again!” It’s not just for MY good, but for THEIRS as well!

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**Bosda said:

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Manda Jo, you make some good points – but I think that lost in this discussion are constructive ideas for dealing with misbehaving kids. I’m lucky, in that I don’t deal with them that often – but I may start confronting them soon (if I get our humane education program off the ground). How would you suggest handling out of control kids in public spaces?

Phouka, it sounds like you have a great classroom manner. Do you feel comfortable approaching physically imposing kids, in groups, in public settings, and similarly correcting them? I know I don’t.

What about those of us without The Voice? Do we have effective recourse?

Daniel

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Yea, though we may walk through the valley of the little shits,
next year we get to lie down in greener pastures.

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Bosda seems to think we’re talking about 5 and 6 year olds. We’re not. I believe the OP is more talking about older kids (jr high, high school, I’m guessing?)

"All children are like this. Everybody was like this as a child. You were like this, though you don’t seem to recall. "

Err… no. I didn’t act like this. I started taking public transportation to school when I was in 2nd grade, and I always sat in my seat and kept my hands to myself. When we stopped at the high school that was on my route, I was always terrified. The kids were loud, abusive, and scary. They stood up and moved around and shoved each other and yelled and threatened… I remember once they left a girl handcuffed to the bus stop.

This behavior is ok with you? Because “aww shucks, they’re just wittle kids”?

Also, if you’ll note, this line in the OP is rather important:

“My “demand” is not a practical one. I really just wanted to rant about how rotten these kids are.”

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Bosda seems to think we’re talking about 5 and 6 year olds. We’re not. I believe the OP is more talking about older kids (jr high, high school, I’m guessing?)

"All children are like this. Everybody was like this as a child. You were like this, though you don’t seem to recall. "

Err… no. I didn’t act like this. I started taking public transportation to school when I was in 2nd grade, and I always sat in my seat and kept my hands to myself. When we stopped at the high school that was on my route, I was always terrified. The kids were loud, abusive, and scary. They stood up and moved around and shoved each other and yelled and threatened… I remember once they left a girl handcuffed to the bus stop.

This behavior is ok with you? Because “aww shucks, they’re just wittle kids”?

Also, if you’ll note, this line in the OP is rather important:

“My “demand” is not a practical one. I really just wanted to rant about how rotten these kids are.”

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I get the impression he is talking about 10 or 12 year olds.

Question–how well soundproofed are the passenger cars of the Metro? The Chicago cars were noiser than the inside of a snare drum.

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Over the past few days I’ve been contemplating asking Bosda why he is so vigorously defending obnoxious behavior. Then I read this:

This followed by a post full of random bolding, vile insults, and large text. All that was missing was GENEROUS USE OF ALL CAPS. It occurs to me that perhaps Bosda doesn’t consider these kids to be rude, because for him that is normal behavior.

And Bosda, you earlier asserted that it didn’t occur to any of us to simply ask these kids to behave. In my case, that is just not true. I used to manage a movie theatre where kids like this were often patrons. (Though seldom paying patrons.) I’ve many times asked them to behave themselves. Very nicely. Trying to “give them some guidance.”

Uh, wanna bet? Most of them had knives. My life had been threatened so many times at that job that I eventually quit largely due to fear for my safety.

I’m not saying that all or even most kids on the subway carry weapons, but I myself am reluctant to take that risk by giving them much needed “guidance.”

And as far as their being 10-12 years old, that’s not who I am talking about. Mostly. I’m thinking of the 15-20 year olds.

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Bosda Di’Chi of Tricor: Have you gone insane?

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I wouldn’t refer to 15 year olds as “kids”. Young adults, yeah, but not kids.

How old were the “youths” in the OP?

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The children appear to be junior- and senior-high students, probably aged from 12-18.

Also, Mayflower, the latter is what happened. More of the same. As I said, it wasn’t an especially sincere apology.

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In light of this “new” information, do you stand by your rants, accusations, and insults?

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15 years old are kids to me. 17 and older and they’re reaching “young adult” status, but that depends a lot on their behaviour.

Mr. Di’Chi of Tricor you say that we’ve all been like this, acted like this, we just don’t remember.

I was never like that and neither were my friends, we had some respect for other people. It’s not so long ago for me either, I can remember my school days very clearly, I remember how I acted in certain situations.

Basically my friend, you are blowing bubbles out of your arse and Dantheman is popping them as quickly as you can blow them, and that seems to be getting you all flustered. Please Fuck off.

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Bosda made one particularly nasty post to me earlier. At first I decided to take the high ground and ignore it, being that I don’t waste my time wrestling with pigs. But I can’t let this go unchallenged.

Huh? Let’s parse this, one dainbred “thought” at a time.

There’s so much wrong with this sentence that it’s hard to know where to begin.

First of all, I didn’t “choose” anything, other than to tone the language down a bit, to make it less offensive. It’s not like I decided to replace “Mister respectable adult” with “Motherfucker” for shock value. Believe it or not, some kids really do talk like that. Maybe not in your antiseptic little bubble, but some of us live in the real world.

Second, what makes that language “African-American”? It’s rude punk-speak, and it’s spoken by kids of pretty much all races.

Are you really of the opinion that I chose to change the language of those kids to make racists comments? If so, you really are a simple creature.

Despite your poor syntax, my post was directly related to the OP, and to your rebuttals. But mostly to phouka’s well intentioned but very naive post. Had you read this thread in chronological order, you might have picked up on that.

I’m not responsible for the flawed working of your brain. Think anything you want. It’s no skin off of my back.

That’s it. When you’re losing a debate, resort to name calling. That’ll help.

HAHAHAHAHAHA! I only wish.

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Given to broad range of ages, I admit to a reservation or two about the rants & accusations.

But I never back off from an insult.

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Like Green Bean, I too want to know if you’ve gone insane, Bosda, cause I don’t remember your posting style being this aggressive and hostile before. Why the sudden shift from “poster I recognize and have no problem with” to “poster who seems to hate everyone”?

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Holy mother of god. Is Bosda for real? Some of the things he is saying are so CLEARLY baiting that I wonder. “met a small child” my ass. He’s doing this just to be a fuckwad. Either that or he’s got an IQ around the freezing temperature of hydrogen.

Whichever it is, I have to say I’ve never had the “privelege” of paying attention to him before, and certainly won’t do it again in the future. What a maroon!

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It is easy to have a conversation at normal volumes, read a book, or listen to a walkman. They aren’t that loud (by themselves).

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If only. :rolleyes: