Vampire$

A few years back, I had the misfortune of viewing “John Carpenter’s Vampires.” At the time, my reaction was a distressed silent uttering of “John, what the hell?” It was one of those sad moments. I’d always thought of myself as generally liking Carpenter’s flicks as entertaining offbeat b-films with heart, and his treatment there left me concerned. (Ghosts of Mars pretty much clinched it. The magic’s gone.)

Anyway, lame movie. If it had been another director, one I didn’t have expectations of, it wouldn’t even have stuck in my memory.

I just recently finished reading the book the movie was allegedly based upon, Vampire$ by John Steakley.

I want to see the movie that actually is based on it, dammit.

In thinking of why, I conclude it has a lot to do with this: there’s something about the whole vampire schtick that I simply do not grok at some fundamental level. I mean the schtick of vampires as being cool, the “goth” thing about them being tragic villains, etc. Most vampire flicks have that element to one degree or another, and even if it doesn’t irritate me, it simply doesn’t do anything for me.

I want to see an actual based-upon movie version because the book had absolutely none of that–indeed, its treatment of “master vampires” is very much aware of that view and rams a wooden stake right through it. They’re addictive creatures that get hold of victims, but it’s treated as something monstrous, pathological, and ultimately something cringingly disgusting. The airs of suave mysterious coolness are superficial drapes over what Steakley wrote as something like “a blasted cockroach-smear of a soul.”

Good stuff.

Four words:

This.
Book.
Kicks.
Ass.

Now, it’s never gonna be regarded as great literature, but as you say it has a very good treatment of the vampire “condition” (and they are some scary sonsabitches). I also like Steakley’s portrayal of the big, blustering heroes who are also incredibly vulnerable.

Steakley, of course, is also the author of the novel “Armor”; you should read it if you haven’t yet.

Amen to that–Armor also kicks ass, and I do need to re-read it soon. It seemed to me in reading Vampire$ that many of the characters were the same, simply transplanted in setting. Jack Crow and Felix were names of main characters in both, if my memory’s working right; their roles sort of reversed.

No, the Crow/Felix roles are pretty much the same. I have no idea why Steakley re-used the names–if you look in the front matter of the book, you’ll see a note that says something like “This Felix is no other Felix. This Jack Crow is no other Jack Crow.”

Trivia: The character Cherry Cat is apparently based on Steakley’s friend Dave (?) Cherry, who is the brother of the well-known author C. J. Cherryh and who is a fantasy artist himself.

Out of curiousity what is Armor about? I really liked the Vampire$ book and this is the first time I’ve heard of this one.

Think of it as The Forever War: Steakley Remix.

Alternately, what Vampire$ does to the “vampires are kewl!” vibe of much vampire fiction, Armor does the same thing to the “high-tech warfare is kewl!” vibe of much slambang science fiction. It’s particularly a fun read if you read Starship Troopers directly preceding it.

I’ve never read the book, but I actually rather liked John Carpenter’s: Vampires. I don’t think it touch on any of that “Vampires as kewl” schtick as you put it, at all. Sure, the head vampire looked like a widened Trent Reznor, but every other vampire was veral and dirty, even the other “masters” in their business suits. The movie didn’t glorify being a vampire at all, unlike a lot of other films that have come out recently 9Underworld anyone?).

And it had pretty much everything else a typical Carpenter movie had, especially the incredibly unlikeable asshole of a main character. It’s not a great movie, but personally, I think it’s one of the best vampire movies to have been made in the past, ohhhh…ten years or so? It’s a convoluted genre, and most films are shit, but as far as shit goes, this didn’t smell nearly as bad (unlike it’s completely unnecessary sequel…ugh).

As far as the book goes, what’s the significance of the in *Vampire*? I would think the dollar sign would be a good indication that the vampires of that book were the more business oriented inner city crime lord types that have been showing up lately. If that’s not the case, than what’s the significance? And is Jack as much of an asshole in the book as he is in the movie? Whatever the case, I liked the movie, but I’ll make sure to find a copy of the book.

You might enjoy the granddaddy of all vampire flicks – Nosferatu.

I’ve always liked vampire movies more in theory than in practice. Too much of that “oh, I’m so cool, I’m undead, I wear my sunglasses at night” stuff. But Nosferatu, although it is essentially a Dracula knock-off with the names changed, has a vampire who’s neither suave nor sexy. Count Orlock is a hideous, ancient monster, and there’s nothing appealing about the way he’s prolonged his life by draining ordinary humans of their lifeblood.

It’s one of Crow’s sardonic names (used once or twice at most in the book) for “his” operation (actually the Church’s operation). They pull in a lot of money doing what they do.

I did. The odd homage Shadow of the Vampire is another I dug.

Armor is one of my favourite books, right up there with (naturally) Starship Troopers.

It tells the story of Felix, a “loner” soldier in Earth’s war against a race of incredibly tenacious ant-like beings. We humans have figured out where they come from, and are intent on landing on their sandy little rock, braving the unbreatheable atmosphere, dragging them out of their burrows and exterminating them en masse.

The key to this tactic is the Armor. A soldier in his Armor can survive in any environment, march for days, and dish out a horrendous serving of punishment while surviving just about anything the enemy can throw back. One-on-one, he’s more than a match for any alien - too bad he never gets to enjoy such odds.

Felix is a scout. It’s his job to go ahead of his team, find the bugs, and lead the guys with the Big Gunz to where they’re hiding. Sadly, though, every time Felix’s unit is involved in combat with the aliens, he’s the only one who ever seems to make it back alive.

Eventually, Felix’s past catches up with him and he disappears. An intergalactic pirate and prison escapee named Jack Crow gets involved with an isolated research outpost, and the post’s scientists begin to unravel the mystery of Felix’s disaapearance.

In the end you find out that… well, that would spoil the plot now, wouldn’t it?

[spoiler]Due to a computer error, Felix is being sent back in to combat time and time again. Normally, scouts never survive the six or so sorties that comprise an individual’s typical tour of duty. It seems Felix is doomed to be sent into battle until he finally dies! Felix, though, is an exceptional individual.

In fact, it turns out that he’s royalty!

Felix originally joined the military to get away from the responsibility and the politics of his homeworld, where, although he is rightful heir, it seems he would make more of assasination target than ruler.

Jack Crow’s story gets thrown abruptly into the middle. He stows away on board a military ship after escaping from a prison mine. Trouble is, the ship has been hijacked by other pirates who are fully aware of whom they have on board and his abilities as a con man and thief.

In order to refuel their ship, they’ll need to find a military-capacity port with special equipment. Turns out, the only one they can even get close to without being shot to pieces is a tiny government research station on a distant, backwoodsy planet.

Since they would be recognized as fugitives, the pirates instead send Jack so he can befriend the scientists, let down their defenses, and then help the pirates take over the station. As part of his alibi, they stash an old suit of Armor on Jack’s ship and send him down with it. The scientists take an interest in the suit, and extract its “memories” from the suit’s onboard computer.

The suit is revealed as having belonged to Felix; Jack and the scientists learn much of what Felix experienced during his time in service, including how the humans adapted to the alien planet’s conditions and how a famous athlete helped Felix finally elude his pursuers.

Jack deactivates the defenses and the pirates come down to refuel, but there’s a trap waiting for them. Jack and the scientists draw the pirates into the research facility, hoping to finish them off with the weapons they have at their disposal.

Unfortunately, the pirates prove to be too powerful, as they have brought along their own civilian version of Armor which, although much less powerful than a military suit, is more than a match for the base’s defenses.

Enter the local constable, who rescues Jack and the scientists, then dons Felix’s Armor and puts flight to the pirates. Turns out the constable is Felix, and he’s been hiding out on this planet since he fled the military.[/spoiler]

Or C.J. Cherryh is a fantasy author, HERSELF. The H was added because her first editor thought that Cherry sounded too much like a romance writer.

Actually, rereading the post, it looks like you were saying David Cherry himself, not C.J. Cherryh.

I’m an idiot.