In the “what would happen to animals…” thread, someone pointed out it was turning into a flame vegans thread. Somewhat true( but we were provoked), and I am partly to blame. The thread was closed. But here in the PIT we can BBQ all we want. Now, I really don’t give a rats ass what you eat, as long as you SHUT UP about it. In other words I am tired of vegans calling the killing of animals for meat “murder”(& by extension, us who eat meat are murderers, too). I am sick of them using the words “exploitation” and “slavery” whenever animals are kept for milk, etc, NO MATTER HOW HUMANELY THE ANIAMLS ARE BEING KEPT. Using “murder” and “slavery” in this way cheapens the real meaning of those words. Ok folks “Flame on”!
Yeah, “Flame On!”… then toss a bloody carcass on the flames… 
Some of my best friends are vegetarians. They hold 3-day parties every summer. The vegetarians provide (and eat) non-corpse items, and the carcass-eaters bring their own to BBQ. Works out fine.
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Of course meat is murder!
Ever eat a live cow?
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My personal favorites are the “meat is murder” folks whose cars have leather seats and who carry fine leather briefcases and portfolios. Same thing goes for shoes, belts, wallets, purses, etc.
I respect those who carry their beliefs into all aspects of their lives; but don’t deride me for having a turkey sandwich while writing in your calfskin notebook.
Same thing goes for the super-green environmentalists driving their 9mpg Lincoln Navigators and Ford Excursions.
meat is murder… thats why i only eat soylent green
Oh man, what a disappointment. From the thread title, I thought someone was gonna throw a few vegans on the barbie.
Satan:
You mean meat is killing, I think.
Murder is a legal term and it certainly doesn’t apply to…
Oh wait. This is sarcasm, right?
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Just putting my 2sense in.
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It turns out that this girl I know from college, Janet, is a vegetarian. I didn’t know that. So I made fun of her for a while, then we got down to business, namely, why is she a vegetarian, and how can I make her eat meat? So we discuss a while, and I realize that her opposition is not based on actually eating the meat, but the treatment of the animal while alive, and the butchering methods used.
So, get this, we have cows, sheep, and (used to have) chickens and pigs at our house. I told her how these guys live cushy lives, no herding around, wide open spaces, plenty of food, my mom just babying them all, and that when we DO butcher one, we take it to a local couple who run a place. Then do it all by hand, humanely, et al, and do a damn good job of it.
So by now she’s saying how she misses eating meat, and would like to, but not eating it for so long would probably make her sick if she tried… etc.
By the end of the conversation I have her agreeing to eat some meat that I bring her, since it’s humanely raised and butchered and stuff.
We’re having steak next week.
Score one for us!
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So I take it she was not preaching to you or wearing her vegetarianism on her sleeve, then? Obviously it took you a while to discover this little detail about her.
Homer - quick question:
Why would you care what someone else eats? Do you care if someone else eats tapioca pudding, or broccoli, or tic tacs? Probably not. So why the big deal about whether someone else eats meat or not? I take it she wasn’t trying to deprive you of any meat.
I know you were being partly faceteous in your approach regarding this. But, seriously - do all of you give this much care to whether someone else eats other foods? Do you wring your hands over the reality that Aunt Amy won’t eat brussels sprouts? Or gouda cheese? If someone is really low-key about their eating preferences, what’s the big deal?
If this girl (who seems to not be too “preachy”, I gather) wasn’t trying to convince you of what to eat, why the hard sell from you to get her to eat meat again?
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“BABE” has a point: we are here to BBQ vegans who ARE “preachy” (not to mention–smug, holier than thou, violent, abusive, etc.).
Another thing I hate: “A vegan diet is heathlier”–THAN WHAT?!?. Than a diet that consists mainly of fast food? Then- yes. Than a well balanced diet that includes veggies, fruit, grains, AND a reasonable amount of meat? Then- NO! I met one young girl, about 13. Her mother was vegan, so was she. The girl subsisted almost entirely on P-nut butter & jelly sandwiches, Ice cream, and chocolate. She was anemic, AND overweight. Vegan-- but NOT “heathier”. True, it is easier to “pig out” if there are no restrictions on ones diet, but it is also easier to maintain a well balaced diet without restrictions.
I hate to restart an old thread (he’s lying, he loves it), but I read something in the ol paper today which expains a lot about vegans, and especially their lame arguements-San Jose Mercury- Dr L White, a neuroepidemiologist “found that consuming even small amounts of tofu (a soy derivative)could contribute to a decline in mental abilities over time”.
This explains a great deal…
That’s great, Daniel, except for the fact that:
a) nearly everyone’s mental abilities decline over time, so someone may simply be confusing correlation with causation;
b) any American who eats any significant amount of packaged food is eating large amounts of soy;
c) I guarantee whatever study he did is comprised of the same junk science that leads PETA to say that red meat causes impotence; and
d) one study does not a conclusion make.
Of course, everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and can eat whatever the hell they want. But I have to agree to some extend: the preachy vegetarians/vegans really piss me off as well. I’m respecting their opinion, so why can’t they do the same? It’s happened to me so many times already: especially diners with large, mixed groups (say, an office diner). There is always some stupid idiot who feels the need to point out that what I am doing is ever so wrong.
WHAT THE HELL ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING?
If they REALLY think I’m gonna give up my place at the top of the food chain because of a few stupid remarks, they’ve got another thing coming.
For what it’s worth: most of the meat I buy is from animals that were not raised in boxes and forcefed hormones all their lives. I, too, want animals to live a happy live - even if they DO end up on my plate. Of course, I’m also guilty of the occasional cheeseburger at a fast food joint. What can you do…
Of course, for every single one of those, there are ten nonvegetarians who, when someone quietly and unobtrusively says they ARE vegetarian starts off with: “Why? What’s wrong with eating meat? What’s wrong with you? Why wouldn’t you want a thick juicy steak? Boy, I sure could go for a crown roast and some lambchops! Mmmm-mmm-mmm! Boy, you have to be a real freak to not eat meat!”
It goes both ways, folks.
PETA - PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS
Oh shit. Look the fuck out everybody. Phil is back in the pit. This should be good.
And for whatever it’s worth, probably nothing, I don’t can’t recall ever being chastised by a vegetarian for my meat eating habits. My experiences are more along the line of Phil’s; meat-eaters jumping on vegetarians. Go eat your hearts out.
I won’t eat meat the day before a big meeting, because it makes my farts smell too much. I want something mild enough to float past a couple of other people before anyone starts gagging. That way, I can look all around for the culprit like everyone else.
Beans for volume, meat for flavor.
PLD: This is the PIT, dammit, and I’m here to roast some vegans, not discuss facts in an orderly & polite way. I did that, before, and 2 of the vegetables arguing w/ me were reduced to sputtering infantile insults. So, if ya wanna discuss the pros & cons of omniverism vs vaganism, see ya in GD.-start a thread, and I’m with ya
Vegetarianism is a Bolshevik plot to keep the people weak and sickly.