I had another thread that got locked. For the record, I didn’t mean to imply every Vegan was judgmental, (and that the one’s who are are vocal about it). I’m just wondering if the ones that are are justified in being that way, and telling you about it. I wasn’t even taking a stance, because I’m honesty curious about what both sides have to say.
I don’t know if I have to take a side for an “argument” to be made, but I’d much rather not imply that I’m taking a stance.
I certainly didn’t mean to “slam” Vegans, as I was accused of, and I hope I didn’t offend anyone by doing so. If this thread gets locked as well, any examples on how I COULD ask the question?
I’m as far from vegan as it gets, but if someone is vegan for moral or ethical reasons, it would be hard for them not to be vocal about it. It would be an issue of moral indignation, just like how abortion opponents, in their minds, cannot take a “you do your thing and I’ll do mine” standoff approach. They couldn’t stand idly by while billions of innocent animals are slaughtered.
That’s always subjective, but if someone’s moral values are PETA-ish; “animals are not meant to be killed for our consumption,” then yes, they would be justified in being angry at seeing other people eating steaks.
I guess vegans because, from what I understand, many of them are morally against cow milk products, and some might chastise those who do like to use Milk products. I guess I’m thinking about the ones who claim to be the least cruel. I don’t know why I capitalized vegan, I had a long day and had to edit my posts for mistakes I somehow overlook when proofreading. I apologize for that.
Maybe I’m confused. I totally expect I’m the one who’s in the wrong. I truly don’t mean to offend anyone. I’m a meat eater, I’ve cut back a lot, but it would be very difficult for me to give it up completely. I also use to know someone I later found out is now vegan, and they post a lot about how bad it is that people eat meat, and I just wanted to understand if they’re points are as valid as they’re making it out to be.
That’s the goal of this thread. I’ve been sick, and I didn’t take a certain medication I’m on today, and I’m tired and frustrated with my communication issues.
Missed this while I was moving the thread. Don’t take swipes at other posters while expressing your views. Basic courtesy is one of our rules unless you’re in the Pit.
Let me unpack this.
I’m on a very restricted diet(not vegan).
I think I might judge(in my head, never aloud) someone buying 6 cases of sugary soda pop in a store. But no more than I’d judge(again…to myself) if I saw a person obviously still drunk from the night before buying a fifth of cheap whiskey.
Generally I say, you be you.
I don’t like people telling me what to eat or drink.
Religious prosthlysing about any thing is very off putting.
Not sitting still for that.
If it’s because “boo hoo, sad animal faces!” you’re ignorant of you think I gonna let you get by with that one.
Do you think fully moving over to bean and legume farming and letting animals all run free is actually good for the environment?
It takes alot of water(not to mention acreage) and fertilizer to grow enough beans for this country to live on. The soybean fields would take the place of forests. Sorry no clean air.
Then you have the green veggies to grow.
I know there’s a bunch of shit in the world. Fertilizer needs the real kind. The ammonia smell will drive out the humans in these big giant swathes of land. How they gonna leave. Not environmentally, I’ll bet. oh, Vegan, you have an EV? How do you think that car was built or that electricity got in that outlet. Um? Petroleum.
The water needed, alone will dry up lakes. What are we gonna drink.
Of course big animal producers have problems and definitely need to work on them.
Your bean salad took alot of animal byproducts and alot of water to grow, Vegan.
I read about the land it takes to harvest food that feeds the animal. This is why I asked. I didn’t want to present any bias, myself. I’m not looking for a fight, because I’m not even sure where I stand. I meant to specify vegans who are more vocal about how others should eat, and not just vegans who do it for themselves, but don’t push it. I see nothing personally wrong with being uneasy about participating in the killing of other sentient things, but I’m not sure how to feel about some of them appealing to a carnivore’s emotions, and shaming them.
I might even think it’s morally altruistic to be vegan, but I know that certain people need meat in their diets, and the protein and all that…
So, yeah. Trying to keep an open mind right now.
I can’t verify the things you claim would happen, would happen. I don’t think people would just one day, free all the animals. You might be correct though, we’ll see if people generally agree.
Well, we may as well eat them. They’d starve or get taken out by predators (including humans) in weeks.
I could maybe live another month.
I wasn’t aiming my crap at you. I was just sayin’.
If your religion says don’t eat something and you follow, that’s fine.
If you’re trying to prove something I don’t need to know about it.
If your health dictated you don’t eat animal protein I respect your disorder. And follow doctors orders.
I don’t see where environmental concerns is anything vegetarianism can even pretend to help. At all.
I’d be happy to hear stats on it.
Anything grown is gonna take resources. Animal food/people food. Same difference.
It takes much more vegetable protein to equal animal protein. I know that. To make it palatable it takes processing. No one would eat a bean off a soy plant. It’s usually super processed.
Unless we feed it to the cow, they process it for us. And produce poop to fertilize other growing things. 2 for 1 in my book.
I’ve met a few very vociferous vegans; I’ve met quite a lot more who I didn’t even realise were vegan until the topic came up naturally in conversation, and who weren’t interested in persuading me to do their thing, but were also very willing to have calm, honest discussions about where food comes from and how that’s sometimes not great (including some foods that aren’t anything to do with animals - shipping cucumbers halfway around the world isn’t great, for example).
This is one of those situations where there is a tendency for a thing about people to be unfairly characterised according to the voices of a loud minority.
I do find it strange that the bright line is drawn around the entire taxonomic kingdom of animalia - because that’s not really congruent with ‘things that can experience suffering when we eat them’ (it does include a lot of those things, but there are members of the animal kingdom that have lives that are not very different from plants or fungi) and there are definitely farming methods that cause more animal deaths per calorie than, say, hunting, but you have to draw a line somewhere, I suppose - still, the ringfencing of the animal kingdom is one detail that sort of makes veganism seem a little bit like a religious stance, to me.
It takes much more vegetable-based food to raise meat-based food - the process of raising animals is very lossy in terms of nutrition yield per unit land area. Not saying this from a vegan perspective - I’m not a vegan, but since you seem to be talking about efficiency, meat simply isn’t as efficient as plants in terms of food yield, and it’s not even close.
Not eating edamame. It’s terrible. I’ve never eaten a soy bean product that was ever good without great amounts of things added to fake you out. Tofu as tofu is gross. Add a bunch of good things, that I can’t possibly have, and it’s edible.
My diet restrictions include liquid restriction. I can’t possibly eat enough greens to provide enough protein and not having them put too much liquid in me. I love my veggies and greens. Alas it is a me problem, I know.
I say, without cite, that growing animals to eat is at least as efficient as growing enough vegetables to feed everyone (if animals were to stop being farmed all together). Vegetables and grains don’t always provide the full amino acids, are not complete proteins, so much more would have to be grown.
There’s a reason we need these proteins. For me it’s life. Others, it’s good health.
I’m not preaching. If a person wants to be vegan, vegetarian or only eat bananas. I don’t care.
I don’t think I’ve ever been judged by a vegan. I had one lady tell me it would cure my diabetes. I let her just have her beliefs knowing how wrong she was. If you’re type 2 diabetic I could see a vegetable forward diet could help you. I’m not that. She didn’t know.