Video shows police handcuffing 5-year-old

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Jesus, I really start understanding why a lot of people are choosing home-schooling nowadays.
A little restraint and some harsh language would (probably) have calmed the kid down.
It is quite obvious that this kid has just never been disciplined.
Walking around after a kid, and saying “Oh, no, please don’t do that” won’t achieve many results.

Now I do understand the teacher’s position : I cannot grap the kid by the arm and tell her to knock it off, because I will get sued.
Well guess what, you are going to get sued if you call the cops too.

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Taser.

:smiley:

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Yup. It is.

For instance: in Wisconsin a full physical restraint can be used on an austistic client(this is circa 1989), and in Oregon physical restraint can’t be used(though I have no idea what could).

Yes, this is an out of control child rather than an autistic person. It still shows the marked difference in states where it comes to restraints.

While the child doesn’t deserve the vilification, her parents do.

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While, IMO, the police do not.

Did they use the metal cuffs or the plastic drawstring-like thingies?.

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No, five year olds aren’t babies. Babies are babies. Five year olds are, well, five year olds. And I’m sorry, but five year olds do have some moral responsibility for their own behaviours - not as much as adults do, sure, but they’re capable of both distinguishing between good and bad behaviour and acting on that distinction- and I’m speaking as the father of a three year old son, who most certainly knows that certain behaviours are unacceptable, and that if he chooses to indulge in them he’ll be disciplined - and before you start, that discipline is almost never physical.

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You are right. Five year olds are not babies but outside of some Arnie “Super-Kindergarten” movies I can not see any reason for handcuffing a five year old.

The child in the clip was seriously out of control. There is no question about that. I still find it hard to find the connect between an out of control 5 year old and calling the police.

It is a wacky world.

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It’s possible that they called the police in because they felt they had done all they could legally to deal with the child. They had done everything within their power and felt they were at a lower risk of a law suit if they called the authorities.

I doubt they were thinking “Call the cops! Kiddie attack!”

On the other hand, kids have surprisingly sharp teeth.

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But it was a school! And a five year old!

If the cops were called everytime a 5 year old went ape then bank robbers would be home free.

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I don’t get where people are saying that the kid didn’t understand what was going on.

My daughter is almost 5 and she knows cops do 2 things: show up to help people (car accidents, etc.), and show up when people are being bad. Had she been throwing a fit like that at school, she would have known damn well why the cops were there.

And what’s this crock about getting other kids out of the way and letting temper tantrums run their course? We’re going to inconvenience other people who know how to act and accommodate a temper tantrum now? Are we going to do this when she’s 13 and tearing up the furniture because Mom said she can’t go out this weekend because her homework’s not finished?

A 5 year old (and I’m willing to bet this kid is actually closer to 6 than 5) should be past temper tantrums anyway – unless there’s something wrong with them mentally, which is possible in this case. The only thing is … if there’s something truly wrong with her mentally, why did she straighten up when she saw the cops coming?

5 year olds don’t tear up the Principal’s office on a regular basis, which is partially why this made news to begin with.

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Didn’t they specify “campus police” in the cliips? :confused:

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There have been a lot of comments made in general about child-rearing and they

are mostly true but lets focus on this particular situation. It is off-topic to discuss

could’a, would’a, should’a in regards the mothers parenting skills. In this given

situation, we have a 5 yr. old who is totally out of control. There seems to be no

doubt about that. When all conventional and mandated options to regain control

fail, what do we do? Well, unfortunatly, we resort to the unconventional. And, no,

I am not advocating slamming the childs head into the desk but control needs to

be regained in some manner.

It seems to me, having some experience in these matters, no one in authority

did anything unreasonable given the circumstances as stated . Certainly in a

perfect world, things would be different, but, alas, we don’t live in a perfect world.

Diogenes , I realize how incomprehensible it is to picture your daughter in

these circumstances, I feel the same way, but you must understand, out of

control is out of control, whether one is 5 yrs. old or 15 yrs.old.

As it turned out, no one was injured,control was established and hopefully this will

result in some serious therapy for this young girl because something is very, very

wrong here.

All in all, not a disasterous outcome for a potentially dangerous situation.

I’m just sayin…

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Diogenes - I am the one who said I would have slammed the kid’s head into a desk. You’ve taken my comment slightly out of context. I was making a hyperbole comparison, that my patience level is no where near the assistant principal’s, and that is one good reason why I am not a teacher. I would not have been able to handle that child. I stand by my opinion that the teacher acted appropriately, BECAUSE SHE DID NOT LOSE HER TEMPER. I was commending the teacher for her handling of the situation, not suggesting that she should have injured the child. I think you’re bright enough to know the difference between advocating abuse and making a comparison, and your deliberate misinterpretation for affect is an insult to us both.

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I think the dumbest thing about this entire incident is that it was reported on.

The overwhelming majority of kids do not act like that. A behavioural abberation occured, and the school and police dealt with it in a way that avoided injury to any of the parties. I imagine the local social agencies are going to be taking a hard look at that child, and she may even end up on the short bus to a more “personalized” facility. At the end of the day, the system will probably work like its supposed to.

Why should teachers in mainstream classrooms be expected to know how to do psychiatric takedowns? What’s next, a room full of humane restraint beds “just in case”? Unless this becomes some start of a nationwide trend, I just don’t see what the big deal is, and I don’t get why anybody cares outside of the people directly involved with the incident.

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Yes, and overprotective parents will sue the holy hell out of a school if they suspect a teacher got out of line with their beloved and sacred child. As I said, they likely felt that they had used all of their options and needed real authority to deal with the situation further.

And while most five year olds go ape, this kid went all the way to King Kong.

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If there was a camera in every class of every five year old, we would have a whole new reality show.

The mothers of those 5 year olds would still keep thinking they are perfect.

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Yes King Kong and back again. But calling he cops was akin to calling a national emergency.

It was a 5 year old. A violent and not easily pacified 5 year old…BUT A 5 YEAR OLD.

I would rather the cops were called when something more hazardous occured.

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Very true, vrey true,. Unfortunatly in this day and age, it’s called " covering your ass". ( and the ass of the respective school board ).

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I think the only reason the kid broke down half the office, was… because they let her.
If they had just restrained her or locked her up in the bathroom or…
Sometimes you just need to be tough with certain kids.
This doesn’t necessarily mean beating them with a broomstick, but I didn’t even see the teacher or principal give a stern warning.
They just went namby-pamby “Oh, please don’t do that. Oh, you broke somebody’s ceramic apple. She will be so sad”.
Sometimes you just need to scare bad behaviour out of a kid.
Sad thing is that you will probably get sued if you do this.

/Bart Simpson
Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
/End Bart Simpson

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Well, maybe they’ll call them in when she shows up with a weapon after a few years of “Oh, please don’t do that!” treatment for her misbehavior.

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You realize that every child is not the same, don’t you? What worked for you and Aaron may not work for others. (And in this case, I’d lay money it wouldn’t work.)

Hitting a disturbed child can backfire. If they have emotional/mental problems, the “lesson” may not be learned. Some kids have an extremely difficult time grasping cause-and-effect. She may not see it as, “I’m getting spanked for doing _______”, she may see it as, “Mommy’s hitting me! Mommy is just a mean bitch.”

For all you know the mother has been spanking this child and this is the result.

I still see no reason whatsoever to ever strike a child. My parents raised me without hitting me. My brother-in-law never strikes his children and they are astonishingly well-behaved.

There are other, more effective means of discipline.

You can’t spank an emotional/mental problem out of a child. Believe it or not, there are some valid medical conditions which require medication for the child to function normally. I agree wholeheartedly that it’s over-used, but this may be one of those cases where it’s necessary. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with giving medicine to a person who needs it.

I think a child psychologist should make that call.