I do not know, but why would someone join a church with a pastor whose whole theology is a form of black liberation theology if that person did not believe in it? Why not join another church? It is not like he grew up in this church. He choose this church as an adult.
That is taking it way too far.
WTF, is the bleach bottle getting passed around?
You’re wrong. He has never voiced any support for it.
Do you believe that Barack Obama is secretly an America hating Black Nationalist who wants to kill whitey? Yes or no.
Perhaps the content of Wright’s remarks might be fodder for another thread. I agree that it’s silly to hold Obama accountable for what his pastor said, especially since he’s already publically stated he disagrees with his remarks. One can respect someone and still disagree with their beliefs. That being said, the part quoted by Magiver - well, Diogenes has already replied with what I wanted to say. What he said may have been inflammatory, but that doesn’t make it racist or even untrue.
I see a personal attack now.
In my experience I realized early that almost 100% of the teaching of my former church was poppycock, but if you want to ignore that Family and community compel one to continue being a part of a church you are now being naive.
As mentioned before, like McCain I only demand that he distance himself from the yahoo preacher, not to leave his church.
I believe that he has explained that was not the ideology that he heard preached on sundays and that he had a connection to the church community as a whole. The sense of belonging and community within a congregation can be very strong and can sometimes supercede disagreement or even distaste for a given clergy member. In Catholic congregations (with which I have some familiarity), it’s not uncommon at all for people to dislike some of the specific priests they listen to on sundays or even to disagree vocally and often with the Pope, but they still want to be Catholics.
Guilty as charged.
At the risk of having two people say the same thing…
Does “we” refer to citizens or the state here?
Saying racism is how the country is run… eh. Obama is the third black Senator since Reconstruction ended 150 years ago. He’s the first serious black Presidential candidate. The U.S. has always been majority white, but even so, people in positions of power remain disproportionately white. It’s not just the federal government, but that’s the handiest example. I can’t write that off as a coincidence, because it isn’t one. It’s a reductivist thing to say, but there’s a truth behind it.
That the U.S., both government and many citizens, have strongly supported Israel for 50 years is not exactly news.
Again, Obama supported the church. For 20 years he brought his family to hear the message, and he gave the church money. It doesn’t matter if Obama is secretly an American hating black nationalist. It only matters that he supported the Rev. Wright’s vitriol, which will digitally resonate FOREVER on the internet with no loss of clarity. That means it can be emailed to everybody, ad nauseum, for free, until the end of time. You can thank Al Gore for inventing the internet next time you see him.
It seems like you say that every time somebody says “no sale” on the racism thing. We get it: it could be a problem for Obama. But I thought we were talking about Wright’s racism.
If this was not an ideology of the church, I find it hard to believe that the congregation would have reacted the way it did to Wright’s statements. Beliefs that the government invented HIV or knew about Pearl Harbor are only held by extremely ignorant people and are only cheered by people deluded by ideology. Do you find it at all hard to believe that the congregation as a whole would cheer Wright’s statements on HIV and Pearl Harbor if there nothing about these beliefs that related to the ideology of the church? It is a hell of coincidence that such ignorant and deluded people ended up together if the church had nothing to do with beliefs of this nature.
I can because it also allows many to declare that a position like this is bullshit.
And if you have not noticed yet, this has a potential of a BIG backfire as you are still ignoring that your side is demanding that someone has to leave his church. Since this was not requested of McCain, I do believe now that many church going people will now wonder why the right is demanding this instead of the condemnation that was already done.
Yes, and using a term like Zionist is like calling someone a jew-lover.
He has never supported that message and it will only resonate on the internet with the same people who believe every word of the Muslim smears and who call him “HUSSEIN OSAMA” in all caps. No thinking person could possibly have their mind changed by this. Obama himself has never espoused a racist or anti-American word.
Many words, yet neither yes, or no appear. You have some trouble with yes or no answers? Feel free to extemporize.
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It is? Is “Zionist” an anti-semitic word now? When did that happen? What word should be used instead to refer to support of keeping a Jewish Nationalist state in Israel? I don’t want to sound like a Nazi. I want to keep up with the PC language.
Could you please refer me to the post or posts for your question?
I demand nothing. All I’ve done is point out the obvious.
A) Obama disavows bullshit that comes from Rev Wrights mouth
b) Obama continues to support Rev Wright.
C) A and B are in conflict.
D) The video, audio, and transcripts of Rev Wright cannot be swept under the rug by the media.
Your opinion doesn’t mean anything. You’re already a subscriber to the Obama Daily where the headline reads: “what about those crazy uncles”. It’s the opinion of voters who will see and here the sermons that matter.
You see, even if YOU don’t think Wright said anything wrong, Obama is already on record as saying he did… and then continued to support him.
I suspect don’t think this will end up hurting Obama in the long run. I mean a week or two ago ‘we’ were wondering whether or not Barack Obama is a covert Islamist. Now we are swamped with the Christian pastor from Obama’s *Christian * church.
Obama has addressed this issue quite well so far, exactly how Hillary should have handled Ferraro.
The biggest problem of all of this is simply context. We are trying to characterize and contextualize(is that a word? it should be/ar) fourty years of hour-plus long sermons into twenty second sound bites.
We have a long way to go till the next vote. These videos are by no means secret abC and Faux were able to buy them even. What I would like to see is the people who have seen the entire sermons, and have access to the tapes; people who have found a reason to find something to dream for and inspire with in them-- put those clips out there.
If all these tape were were just hate-hate-hate, like the msm is currently trying to paint them, they would have been out half way to New Hampshire.
We have started this journey all over again; welcome to SC-deux.
There are six long quiet weeks of news to fill between here and Pennsylvania. That is alot of time for Obama supporters who have copies of these sermons to help put these inflammatory, cherry picked sound bite into context and show the other side of a former U.S. Marine who inspires people to hope, dream, and work for an effort of peace and of actually helping the homeless, sick, and poor.
Let me reiterate this, Obama is handling this mess quiet valiently.
That said, watching the network news channels trip all over themselves trying to give Obama a patriotism and religious test, which iirc is a Constitutional violation, it feels as though we are watching a whole lot of xenophobes try and, metaphorically this time at least, try to burn yet another black church.
I’ll let Barack Obama speak for himself:
Some defenders of Wright are saying that the stuff on that video is atypical of what he normally preached and that he often gave scathing sermons about the black community as well.
In any case, Obama says that he did not exerience the church as espousing a radical ideology, so that’s the end of it as far as I’m concerned. You either take him at his word or you don’t. I do. I think his own explanation for staing in the church is far more plausible than that he is secretly an America hating Black Nationalist who wants to kill whitey.