Miller, Virgin, the typos were unfortunate (though now I have time to read them, kind of amusing). I had to type fast as my ride home from work was leaving. <shrug>
Virgowitch, good for you, stick to the high road. You have nothing to apologize for to these stupid … bastards :).
Wait, that wasn’t really the high road was it? I’m on your side anyway. This “won’t somebody please think of the children!” schtick is ridiculous. Dangerosa should know better.
How about the “be polite to your fellow posters” schtick. How about the “taking a stance against bigotry” schtick.
Sorry Beeblebrox - this is more complex than “think of the children” VirgoBitch was told several times to back down from the term. Instead, she defended its use. We’d be in here as well if the op had been “Do you think its ok to be a faggot?” And probably a hell of a lot faster.
Captian Amazing - Historical references - yep. I can see a valid use for words like illegitimate and bastard in a historical context. And if VirgoBitch wants to use them when quoting Shakespere, that’s ok with me, too.
“SEEN IT.”
I was always taught that ‘bastard’ was a swear. I didn’t know what it meant until I was a lot older.
Again, are you thick?! She should have never been asked not to used the term in the first place as it as an integral part of the debate she started. You have ran this thing off the rails with politically correct bullshit by demanding she doesn’t use the word. Should we censor the boards to your liking? Where would intelligent discussion be then? We are adults here, and we should be mature enough to look some of the hard facts in the eye. Asking her not to use the word “bastard” is like airbrushing the blood out of a crime scene photo. It’s there. Deal with it. That is the debate she started. We can not sweep illegitimate children or the attitudes under the rug, so quit trying to.
Off course she doesn’t back down to your “warnings”. She has nothing to apologize for in that thread. The whole fucking point of the debate is atitudes and word use regarding illegitimate children. You are over-reacting here, dangerosa. Find me a single sentence where she was judgemental in that thread. Fuck your over-sensitive ass off and shut the Hell up.
To those of you who may not get it, the word “bastard” and it’s use is a necesary part of the discussion. Dangerosa should have never started this damn thread.
However, I would like Miss Virgo to explain that crack whores comment
Odd, this, from MSN Define:
bastard (1)
bas·tard [ bástrd ]
noun (plural bas·tards)
adjective
not genuine: not the real thing
of inferior or mixed origin: of an inferior, ill-conceived, or mixed origin
zoology similar: used to describe plants and animals that are similar but not identical to, and usually slightly inferior to, a particular kind or species
unusual: unusual or irregular in shape, size, or appearance ( sometimes considered offensive )
[14th century. Via Old French bastart from medieval Latin bastardus , probably from bastum pack saddle, the idea probably being of a child produced from a relationship with a traveler.]
And before anyone jumps my shit, I have no opinion one way or the other regrading the word. I merely found the definition interesting in regard to the OP.
No, Beeblebrox, I’m not thick. Are you? Did you read the thread in question?
Did you read the OP here in the pit, where I said “gee, your OP is interesting, sure is a shame we are hung up in you not letting go of the word bastard?”
The term is NOT a integral part of the debate “is it good or bad to intentionally choose to have a child without benefit of marriage” It will probably be brought up eventually in such a debate, but it sure as hell doesn’t need to be brought up - and defended! - as part of the OP.
We can have long involved debates on “is homosexuality stigmatized” without ever having to rely on slurs. We can discuss “is anti-semitism alive and well” without using slurs. We can, we do it all the time, and, in case you haven’t noticed, in this community, when you do insist on using a slur, you will probably end up with a pit thread. Its one of the things I like about this community. We may tolerate bigots, but we don’t let it go unchallenged.
And I never asked for an apology. I advised her to stop using the word. She didn’t and instead chose to defend her choice. At that point, rather than hijack that thread further into a debate about how appropriate the word bastard was, I came here.
Don’t like the thread, think it shouldn’t exist - there are plenty others on this board you can participate in.
Buck, my Webster’s gives:
1.)An illegitemate child
2.)An irregular, inferior, or counterfeit thing
3.)Slang A worthless or cruel man.
-adj.
1.)Born out of wedlock
2.)False, spurious
3.)abnormal or irregular in size, shape, etc.
Dangerosa, I am still waiting for your quote from the thread in question illustrating Virgowitch’s hatred of illigetimate children. If you do not provide that, which you can’t, I am going to have to conclude that your entire reason for this thread is that she had the temerity to use the word “bastard”. Pitiful.
Well, I suppose it could be a typo. I mean, it’s possible to misspell the same word twice in one post. It’s possible to slip and type a “b” instead of a “w” even though they’re two lines and half a row away from each other. It’s possible that it was merely a Freudian type, and you truly meant to spell her name correctly.
So I suppose some people can give you the benefit of the doubt.
I, on the other hand, won’t be. Your intentional name calling in a thread asking others to stop name calling is laugh out loud ironic.
Having read through both the original thread and now this thread, I side with Beeblebrox on this issue. That you have chosen to be petty and snide in your responses only hurts whatever little credibility your argument originally had.
To be fair, “still waiting” doesn’t apply as I edited that paragraph out of an earlier post. I never asked you to provide that. However, **dangerosa[/a], I am asking you now: When did Virgowitch say anything against “illegitimate” children?
You are wrong here. I like you, but you are wrong.
Screwed up the coding. Damnit.
I am a bastard. The child of two biological parents who never entrered into wedlock, nor lived together in anything remotely ressembling matrimony. I know who my father was (he’s dead now, as is my mother), but because of the tut-tut attitudes of early 1960s New Zealand, my birth certificate shows a blank alongside the word: “Father”.
The bastard post master wouldn’t let my mother record my father’s name, without him being there.
I am not, however, illegitimate. Had I known of my father’s death at the time, and had I wanted to, I could have contested his will, as much a product of his seed as his son he bore within marriage, and probably achieved something by the legal wrangle. I am legitimate, for the laws of my land are no different for me as they are for my non-bastard compatriots. The laws were changed in my favour in the 1970s.
Virgowitch asked in her OP that has upset so many of you folk, whether a mother would ever intentionally bear a child out of wedlock. I suppose she was referring to the stigma of such births as mine, on “the wrong side of the blanket.”
My mum intentionally continued with her pregnancy, exercising her right to choose what to do with her own body to say no to an abortion, and carry me to term. She even gave me my common first name before I was born, I was so loved by her.
What I’m saying is: yes. women do give birth to those kiddies who may or may not ever know their fathers, because that isn’t really the issue anymore. It wasn’t an issue with my mum, because she wanted me, and there are others like her today.
Personally, I wouldn’t call a kiddie a bastard, even in swearing – but I’ve heard it done. Many, many, saddening times. But I have the right to consider myself a bastard, and I am one.
I am not ashamed.
Well said, Ice Wolf.
I agree 100% with the OP, and I’m one of the last people to fall for the “please think of the children” schtick.
It’s not a ‘bastard’ in today’s language, the kid without married parents is just another fucking kid. Geez, it’s just a piece of paper lodged with the government.
And I also am a bastard and damned proud of it.
(Just thought I would toss that in)
Not to hijack this thread, but allow me to add “homophobe” to the list:
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2879911#post2879911
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2881815#post2881815
http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?postid=2869263#post2869263
Yeah, she’s gonna do real well around here. :rolleyes:
Esprix
Black folks, Catholics and Muslims don’t fare much better:
I was compiling my own list for a Pitting, then I noticed this handy thread.
But she - and her kind - are honorable people.
Perhaps it would be simpler if she provided a list of folk she DIDN’T hate?
Sounds like it’d be a short list, Dins.
Esprix