Wait a Sec.... Questions RE Star Trek: TOS

She’s two years younger than Shatner - he was born in 31, her in 33. Putting them both in their late 30s at the time that episode came out.

Wait, I had the timing of the episode wrong, it came out in 67, not 69 (I don’t know why I thought a) City was a season 2 episode, and b) season 1 was in 68)… Checking the dates, it aired, in fact, a month and a half before Collins’ 34th birthday, and was probably filmed about the same time as Shatner’s 36th.

I don’t believe it. She is an old soul, back from the crypt to corrupt and maw any man foolish enough to fall for her lethal entrapment. She is the Salt Vampire, come to life in the 20th century. She was no more an “angel” than a succubus.

I hates her, I do.

(where did you find Shatner’s birthdate? I couldn’t find it the other day. I can’t believe he’s that old–he’s older than my parents!)

Don’t mince words, Rigby, what do you really think?
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It’s in his Wikipedia article, and his imbd.com entry. March 22, 1931. (Collins is May 23, 1933.)

I’ll ask a new question, one which will doubtless require some serious fanwanking.

In the first season episode “Errand of Mercy,” when the Federation is on the brink of war with the Klingons–in fact, I think hostilities have already begun–Kirk leaves Sulu in command of the Enterprise while he and Spock go to the strategically-important-planet of Organia to negotiate permission for the Feds to operate from there. Or at least from orbit. Anyway, an enemy fleet shows up, so Kirk orders Sulu to haul ass out of there, and Sulu retains command while the ship rejoins the Fleet for a major engagement.

Now I don’t have a problem with this. Really, I don’t. I’m willing to believe that negotiating on this level requires Kirk personally; that, given the strategic importance of the mission, it was more important that Spock be with him than on the bridge; and that Kirk decided that, since the ship was virtually certain to go into battle very soon, it was better that Scott stay in Engineering to handle inevitable repairs, and that Sulu is a competent enough battlefield commander that leaving him in charge is reasonable. This idea is supported by the episode with the Gorn, when Sulu is again specifically left in command; and, indirectly, by the mirror universe episode, as Scar!Sulu is clearly third in command there.

So why is it in the episode with Spock’s parents (“Journey to Babel,” I think) that Sulu suddenly is not deemed competent to command the ship durin a battle? That Kirk feels it is so important that he has to get off his sickbed to fool Spock into thinking he’s taken command? Admittedly he intends to hand things off to Scott as soon as Spock is giving blood to his father, but he doesn’t do so because the Orions attack.

What changed?

(Yes, I know the answer is “plot requirements.”)

Actually, I think in that case, it may not have been solely plot. IMO, Kirk knew that for the captain to be seen weakened (even by something so understandable) may well have made the Federation appear weak. AND there is also the possible “slight” felt by so many emissaries that they are not accorded top flight service aka Captain Kirk at the helm and fair “sailing” ahead.
Diplomats tend to see tons of symbolism in the smallest of things, so maybe Kirk decided he needed to be visible.

Just a theory.

I refuse to believe that Collins is younger than Shatner. Don’t bore me with facts–I KNOW the truth! :stuck_out_tongue: I looked up his Wiki article a few weeks ago and his birthdate was not there. He looks mighty good for 78, IMO (too "beefy, but what the hell).

Kirk discovered that George Takei plays for the other team. :slight_smile:

Well, it’s not like the diplomats were on the bridge. He’d already left Spock in command after getting stabbed, and was about to go right back to his sickbed when the Orions showed up.

It always bothered me inthe other episodes in which they had ambassadors on board that they allowed them to be on the bridge, anyway. It was clear that every member of the command staff–INCLUDING SPOCK–held the entire diplomatic corps, except for Sarek, in contempt, and that they were fairly well justified in doing so.

Okay, how about the fact that Scotty was so damn cool standing next to the Captain’s chair in Friday’s Child that Klingons died from fright upon hearing him say, “Let’s see if he has the belly for it.”
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Just watched the one with Zarabeth. Does a body good to see it (although I could do without the strapping strumpet of a doxie who lies about Kirk etc).
I like watching Spock struggle against his more primitive nature. Hey! What do you bet Zarabeth had a lil’ Spock–one quarter Vulcan? I wonder… (and would that Spock Jr have died in the supernova? I doubt it, no? Things like that always mess with my head. I mean, were the witch hunting folk the folk of that planet, but centuries prior to the Library? So, Zarabeth is essentially a hominid (so to speak) on her world (or do I mean Neanderthal?).

I would like to think that Spock Jr went on to become the ancestor of the person who ended up building the Library. Very neat and dovetailed ending, that. :slight_smile:

There is a Trek novel, Yesterday’s Son, with just that premise. I believe A.C. Crispin wrote it (which is another way fo saying don’t read it yourself except for money).

I am greatly disturbed that I can recall that effortlessly but not the atomic mass of actinium.

I thought it was fan-fic, but Mrs. Plant, World’s Greatest TOS Expert, assures me that there is a novel about that concept.

You’re mocking me again, aren’t you?

Yesterday’s Son

Dammit.

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[sup]206[/sup]Ac to [sup]236[/sup]Ac.

Don’t forget its sequel, Time for Yesterday. Personally, I enjoyed both of them.

No one could blame me if I foreswear my foreswearing of super-villainy just long enough to raise a battalion of flying monkeys and unleash them upon you, your children, your friends, your friends’ children, and your children’s friends.

No, I am cursing fate, the hampsters and the loss of Australia (or was it New Zealand?) that you beat me by three minutes. I don’t type that slowly. :slight_smile: