Maybe not morally wrong, but also not necessarily wise, when you have seen that those blazing guns can be turned on you and yours in an instant.
In the comics,
she’s a mutant, born with her powers. The Mind Stone is her origin in the MCU. We still don’t know what’s going on in WandaVision, and how much of it is her doing. But, in the MCU, Pietro got super-speed from the same process that gave Wanda her powers, and what that has to do with the capabilities of the Mind Stone…shrug.
True, but that was after he gave the failed order to take her out with the drone. Director Guy didn’t just order a frontal assault at that point. He’s pretty clearly depicted as realizing that a direct attack isn’t going to work, and trying to figure out a way to kill her. And at least on the surface, he’s doing that because Wanda is harming innocent civilians. Monica, Jimmy, and Darcy disagree with him, and Monica makes the entirely reasonable point that they don’t actually understand what’s going on, and killing Wanda might make things worse. As I said, it seems like a genuine dilemma.
Not wrong in terms of goal, anyway, even if wrong in method. But methods matter.
As noted, destroying all earth worse. Yes trolley problem. Which is why she agreed to kill Vision in the first place. Horrible but was trying to save half of all life.
Would work because Visions body needed to reincarnate Ultron into. Against it was Hayward not interested in getting Visions body when he was coming out.
Good point, and she also at least got telekinesis from the Mind Stone, so…
Though, it does bring back a scene from the first episode, where she seems to have some sort of power over time as well, when she de-ages a chicken into eggs(?). It wasn’t just changing the reality of it, as she actually mentioned that she went too far.
Could just be a throwaway, but it’s hard to think that anything is just a throwaway. Would be clearer is it had turned into just one egg, rather than a bunch.
Pure off the top my head speculation, maybe someone go ahold of a tiny bit of the remains of some of the infinity stones, and is using her power to try to regrow them into the full selves.
Also, Thanos was going to kill him anyway to take the stone.
Wasn’t really a question of saving Vision, just a matter of whose hand it was that killed him, and what the result of that would be.
I guess Thanos could have been slightly less of an asshole and rewound Wanda’s time as well, so at least she wouldn’t have the memory of having killed Vision.
Sure, but again, people are being tortured inside the reality bubble. Thousands of them. Including children. Every minute you wait outside the bubble to try to figure out what’s going on and if there’s a way to safely end things without killing Wanda is another minute that thousands of people are suffering. I just don’t see the SWORD Director as being objectively wrong here. We don’t know that killing Wanda will solve everything, but we also don’t know that killing her won’t solve everything. As I said upthread, I think, in that situation, I would have issued the order to take the shot.
Understood. But the risk of taking the shot is that everyone currently being tortured might end up dead - or that the bubble might expand. It’s genuinely a tough choice.
Or you risk what happened, it doesn’t work and it pisses her off.
When dealing with superpowers, you pretty much have to assume that missiles aren’t going to work.
Ok, but especially if they know that Ultron is trying to possess Vision’s body to return, I don’t see how that inevitably leads to “destroying all earth”. They beat him before, when he took everyone by surprise. If they can prepare for his return, just, I don’t know, stick Vision’s body in a nuclear test site and set off a nuke when Ultron reincarnates? Or, y’know, Wanda could ask, like, literally anybody for help…
I don’t really follow the logic here. Wanda is the one that reassembled and reanimated Vision’s body. How does the reality bubble stop Ultron from returning? Even if it does, why would that be the optimal solution? Again, why would it require trapping thousands of innocent victims with them?
And is there any indication in the show that that is what’s going on?
3892 victims (the population of westview).
I agree. They’ve written themselves into quite a corner if there isn’t at least a “Little Bad” and/or if Wanda is fully aware of the consequences of her actions.
It’s unclear how time works (The date with the heart in Ep 1 was for August 23. It’s now October/November. - but is that 2 and a half months for the Westviewians? Or is it the few weeks that it seems to be for people outside of the Hex? Or is it years?) but no matter how long - knowingly, premeditatingly holding people in pain for an obviously extended period of time is pretty much evil.
An external force of some kind - even a small one, makes this not entirely irredeemable. (Still pretty bad. But I can envision a way back)
I saw rewatched Endgame - at the end, she seemed to have come to terms with Vision’s death (not happy, but not at the cause thousands to suffer for personal enjoyment level).
This week is in the final third - for the story arc to work, everything needs to be on the table by the end of the episode. Otherwise, there just isn’t enough time to finish the story satisfactorily.
The last three are supposed to be an hour each.
Meaning that we are just at the halfway point now. They’ve had 3 hours to set this up, and 3 more to resolve it.
Here’s an idea.
That’s not Wanda. Or at least, not “our” Wanda. She’s from an alternate reality. In her reality, Vision died, and didn’t leave enough behind for her to resurrect. She came to this reality, where Vision was dead, but his corpse still existed, and stole that it to rebuild “her” Vision. She doesn’t care about the people in Westview, because they aren’t real to her, just another variation on the same small town that exists in billions of different universes.
Basically, she’s Scarlet Rick. The climax comes when someone locates “our” Wanda, chilling in someplace like Kosovo, with no idea what’s going on in New Jersey, and she comes over to deal with her imposter.
Bonus sit-com meta: two Elizabeth Olsons duking it out echoes her twin older sisters role on Full House.
That’s if they’re writing a 6 hour long movie broken into parts.
If they’re writing a 9 episode tv series, where, despite the varying lengths, each episode has its own episode structure, and is an “equal” part of the whole, it’s the opposite.
Also: I know I argued otherwise earlier in the thread. After Friday is about the point where I start to get worried about serialized tv shows - where there seems to be way too much outstanding plot to wrap it up in the remaining number of episodes. Right now, still fine.
Yeah, but 47 of those minutes are credits for the Norwegian voice actors.
Re: Hayward. I think it’s reasonable to assume that he has access to a fairly comprehensive report on what happened at the end of Endgame, including the fact that, after Thanos fought off pretty much every other hero without breaking a sweat, Wanda Maximoff went toe to toe with him and nearly won, until he ordered his space battleship to fire a laser cannon broadside at her. And it still didn’t kill her.
Hayward might be right that their first concern should be stopping whatever it is that Wanda’s doing in Westview at any cost. He’s a fucking idiot for thinking his dinky little drone missile was going to do anything but piss her off.
How about this? We know there is a protected witness somewhere in there. Suppose this is the Big Bad and Wanda has no way of knowing who it is except she does know it is someone in Westview. Sure she’s mind-raping all those innocents but to prevent a bigger tragedy.
Which makes me wonder if he’s an idiot, or if his intent was to piss her off.
I’m not sure it’s been confirmed anywhere that the last episodes are longer. I did see people quoting Fiege saying the show is 6 hours total, and guessing episode lengths based on that, but Fiege’s quote seemed like an off-the-cuff estimate, not an exact number.
If the director knows details about the Endgame battle, then he can’t possibly have thought a drone strike would have done anything to Wanda. More likely he was trying to provoke her, or to reveal something to Vision, or whatever.