well there may or may not be a season 2 …
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/could-there-be-awandavision-season-2-here-s-what-we-know/ar-BB1e3Olr
Yes. The fact that Vision was absent when the Westviewers spoke out, and when Wanda wiped Agatha (?), was in some ways very convenient for Wanda because she didn’t have to confront his highly moral response.
I’d like to see a Wanda 30 minute show followed by a 30 minute Vision show. Because:
I want to see more Vision but freed of his relationship to Wanda. Dude has spent 80% of his movie and TV time tied to her hip.
And I’d like to see Wanda’s show used to introduce a certain Latverian. Seeing how Wanda is sorta in the neighborhood.
After this he has become my favorite MCU character.
Vanity Fair has an interview with Emma Caulfield (Dottie) in which she confirms that . . . yeah, they were deliberately fucking with us. The showrunners knew that casting someone with her background in the genre would lead to wild speculation about her true role in the narrative. And she got pretty nervous about what the fan reaction would be when it was revealed that she was just another Westview resident. Sounds like she had quite the balancing act trying to promote her role in the show without creating false expectations.
Now I’m not particularly upset about any of this (I don’t get upset about TV shows in general), but it underlines how much WandaVision and television in general has become savvy to how their product will be consumed by the fandom – and uses that knowledge to manipulate expectations.
As much as I like Doctor Doom in the comic books, there’s just something about the character that doesn’t translate well to film or TV. He’s the worst thing about every FF film.
The “fucking with us” is a direct response to how the internet hivemind handled Westworld S1, “spoiling” the reveal for many. In the spirit of WandaVision it is like a magic show by a skilled magician who misleads the audience to thinking they know what the trick is and how it is being done, only for them to find out on the flourish that they were being duped. Maybe not rabbits out of hats but lots of rabbit holes, which also then got a bunch of the rest of us more informed about Marvel lore.
Woo has been studying - damn, he’s gotten good.
I agree about the latter for sure. Ditching the moniker is a no-brainer. Ditch tying his origin to the FF’s… Introduce him through Strange (some comic ties) or Wanda (no comic ties I admit, but she could replace the Silver Surfers ties to Victor.)…then go from there as far as the FF go.
I agree that he was the worst thing in the last two attempts at the franchise, but I don’t think that really means anything - both FF franchises were bad on multiple axis, not just how they portrayed Doom. And neither’s version of Doom bore much resemblance to the classic comic portrayal.
I disagree that he’s the worst thing in every FF film, though. He’s easily the best thing in the Roger Corman version - and the most comics accurate. Admittedly, being the best thing about the Roger Corman Fantastic Four movie is a really low bar. But it’s not that much lower than being the best thing about the Josh Trank Fantastic Four movie.
In the MCU, I think Dr. Doom makes a lot of sense as a warlord who rises out of the rubble of Sokovia. Even better if one of the unnamed mountains is Mt. Wundagore. He could combine magic from Mt. Wundagore with leftover HYDRA, Ultron, and Iron Legion tech, and his own native genius, to turn Sokovia from a tiny wartorn country into an economic dynamo, with secret weapons projects that violate the Sokovia Accords. Overtly, he would be an illiberal strongman who’s holding a fractious country together and bringing peace, stability and economic development to a bleeding sore in Europe. Covertly, he would be developing all sorts of technomagical doomsday weapons, and with no government willing or able to act directly against him, it’s up to Our Heroes (including maybe his ex-roommate from college who’s something of an expert on exotic technologies…) to stop him.
Most of all, they need to resist the urge to give him superpowers. I don’t know how they should handle the ridiculous armor.
Dr Doom without magic would be kinda lame.
He can practice magic without having magic powers.
I don’t understand the issue here. No one standing in that town could stop her. So she flew away. What do you expect them to do?
Wanda’s a werewolf. She had no idea she was going to resurrect Vision, or hurt those people. She lost control in her anguish and vomited out some energy. Wanda is absolutely a victim of the Witch power in her. As much as Banner is a victim of the Hulk.
One full moon, she wigged out and hurt a lot of people. She denied the seriousness of it, until confronted by the town. Then she killed her family to fix it.
You would consider Doctor Strange to fall in this category? Having an aptitude for the acquired skill of using magic through spells, as distinguished from Wanda innately throwing magical blasts or Thor being able to throw magical lightning around, most often channeled through Mjolnir?
I’d imagine Doctor Doom exploiting the skills of others rather than using his own through some sort of (comic book) science-based gadget he invented. Sort of the way he stole the Silver Surfer’s powers.
My original objection was that there didn’t seem to be much indication that Wanda was even really that sorry for what she did. Monica seemed to be speaking with Narrative Authority when she said, “If I had your power, I would have brought my mom back.” The townsfolk gave her the stink eye, but other than that, there wasn’t even any indication that anyone thought she should face any consequences. And a couple of episodes earlier, Monica was ready to face off with Wanda, with her new powers. This time, she just tells Wanda, “Good luck.”
I’m actually perfectly fine with a morally ambiguous ending, where Wanda “gets away” with everything she did. I would have felt better about it, though, if either Wanda, or Monica, or somebody actually pointed out how monstrous what Wanda did really was.
And that specific post you’re responding to is a response to another poster, who stated that it was “obvious” that Wanda would be facing consequences in some future MCU project. That’s not obvious to me, and I think it’s poor storytelling if we don’t get the full ending to WandaVision until it’s provided in some other MCU project.
Again, I’m perfectly ok with a morally ambiguous ending. My problem is that I thought the dialogue and overall framing of the ending we got portrayed Wanda as a tragic hero, not as the villain I think she is.
This is a long thread, so you may genuinely have missed this, but I’ve repeatedly said that I freely acknowledge Wanda didn’t know what she was doing when she turned Westview into a sitcom. But the idea that she’s not responsible for her actions doesn’t wash with me.
Yes, we saw throughout the series that she didn’t know how she created the sitcom reality, and that she wasn’t fully aware of just how awful what she was doing to the residents of Westview really was. She clearly didn’t realize that they were consciously aware of being puppetted the whole time. But it’s also clear throughout the series, with her re-winds and edits, that she’s fully aware that she’s in control of the sitcom reality, that she’s fully aware that she’s over-written the memories and personalities of everyone in town, that she’s fully aware that she’s keeping children in comas until she wants to use them as props in her Halloween episode. And throughout all of that, she doesn’t show a whit of concern about anyone other than herself and the fantasy family she’s created for herself. She doesn’t realize how much everyone else is suffering because she thinks she successfully wiped out their own consciousnesses.
And yes, despite what at least one poster in this thread seems to think, I get that it’s a metaphor for grief, and that Wanda is suffering what to her is intolerable pain. What she did is still monstrous. She mind-raped and enslaved 4000 other innocent people and caused them unimaginable grief to assuage her own.
She’s not fully responsible for the initial act, but she is fully responsible for continuing it. Even after she realizes how much control she has. After being confronted by Monica. By Vision. By Monica again. By Director Hayward. By Fietro. By Monica again. And by Dottie, and Ralph, and Agnes breaking character, and reminding her that she’s controlling and scripting them, and they’re scared. It’s only when she’s pretty much literally hit over the head by Agatha with the full horror that she’s doing to the residents of Westview, when they’re literally begging her to let them go, when one of them begs for death, when she has no choice but to confront what she’s doing, that she finally decides to let them go.
Oh, and again, I was responding to a specific poster in my comment that you’re responding to, and that poster seemed to be referring to “the Scarlet Witch” as if that were somebody else entirely, and as if Wanda hadn’t actually done all the monstrous things she had done.
…could you maybe stop saying “mind-r*ped” please?
Maybe skip that whole thanks for your sacrifice speech.