I don’t see any reason why you should be embarassed.
Unless you bump it. 
Regards,
Shodan
I waffle between embarrassment and amusement.
Who knew that a holiday tree could destroy a Christian’s sacred celebration of their holy day?
If I wanted to attack Christians, to hurt and wound and scar them terribly, I just have to have white napkins at a party and they’ll cry.
It’s empowering.
Thanks for adding to it.
Well if you don’t get it, perhaps I will. I have just sent a request to the school Superintendent’s office for a copy of the letter under the Texas Public Information Act. I am informed that the school is required to comply to any request for public documents within 4 days, assuming that this particular document isn’t excluded because it’s evidence in ongoing litigation or some other reason.
However, even without it as direct evidence, even your own source doesn’t say “the letter. . . claims that no red or green decorations are permitted as a matter of policy.” From the minimal excerpt provided of the hearing: [
](http://www.libertylegal.org/pdfs/Excerpts%20from%20TRO%20hearing.pdf) Notice that the plaintiffs’ attorney never said the letters expressly forbid red and/or green, let alone specified that those colors were prohibited because they are associated with Christmas, as a matter of policy. They are only claiming that the directive to bring only white decorations is because PISD has a practice of excluding red and green at parties. Not a policy, and certainly not a written policy. And they looked for that policy, long and hard. They searched the website and they had “other people” search the website, and the only policy they could come up with was, as I’ve said before, the policy, “Student Expression: Distribution of Nonschool Literature Policy,” which says nothing whatsoever about colors or party decorations.
Or perhaps this formulation is excessively paranoid and hysterical, and what’s really going on is that the ACLU has a position on exactly what is unconstitutional government endorsement, and what is protected free exercise?
Seeing everything in terms of “you are FOR Christmas or you are AGAINST Christmas” is a bit warping. If I am against giving my employees lunch breaks at 9am right when they get to work, but for giving them a lunch break at 12pm, am I part of a vague but omnipresent movement to destroy lunch breaks? I eat lunch, so am I also some sort of hypocrite?
Many people in the ACLU are Christians that celebrate Christmas. Is portraying them as SUV owners that are ultimately against SUVs really appropriate here? It seems to me that your implication is that they are not REALLY Christians, since they are supposedly working against all Christmas is supposed to stand for (why, a partisan pissing contest of course! Just like Jesus always wanted!)
“having it brought into the light of day”? You mean bad publicity, right?
Otherwise, what you seem to be saying is that this entire group of misguided individuals in marketing departments throughout the country, having made the philosophical decision to embrace “Political Correctness” and “eliminate” Christmas (despite the fact that I have seen no evidence that Christmas is politically incorrect outside government agencies), suddenly woke up this December and decided to change direction and go directly against their own philosophical position for no better reason than that they realized (collectively and without any communication among themselves) that it was a bad idea and they gleaned this idea through osmosis because, of course, they never look at the reports that they spend tens of thousands of dollars each month to purchase that provides them with every mention in the media of their corporation and its products, so they were completely unaware of the major media campaign being launched by Hobson, O’Reilly, Falwell, and others.
OK.
Which fails to address why good, right-wing corporate marketing types ever bought into “Political Correctness” to begin with. It also ignores the fact that this “sudden” event has been going on for decades, but only became an issue when the spokespersons of the extreme Right began talking about it (loudly).
Has anybody looked for older versions of the PISD policy page on archive.org? The wayback machine may well have pages from before the lawsuit began.
Enjoy,
Steven
So…you’re saying that the analogy isn’t the best?
Man, you’re right!
I only wish I thought to say that first.
Bricker, why do you assume that any attempt to maintain (or achieve) separation of church and state is an “attack” on christmas? First, I think you need to define what you mean by both “attack” and “christmas.” Do you really feel that someone is trying to keep christians from believing in christ and god and the last supper and all that? Is there someone obliterating key passages of the bible so that you can’t reference the essence of your faith? What exactly do you mean?
I mean that people who ask questions without reading the whole thread first should be cast into the lake of eternal fire, with the flame that burns but does not consume.
I read it…I just can’t figure out what you’re saying.
Bricker, what of post 402?
I have never in my life had anyone scowl at me when I wished them a Merry Christmas.
When there has been some reason to think that the other person might be put off by my comment (such as in placing a telephone order) I’ve either left it off or wished them happy holidays.
That had absolutely nothing to do with “political correctness” and everything to do with good manners and the way I was brought up. I prefer “Happy Holidays” to “Season’s Greetings.” That was a biggie back in the 1950’s. So was “Merry Xmas.” (There was also a campaign then too to “put the Christ back in Christmas.”) Those who understood the “X” knew that Christ was still intact.
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Starving Artist**: My complaint has nothing to do with insisting others join in; it has to do with others who disapprove wanting to make mine disappear.
I really don’t know of anyone who cares whether you say “Merry Christmas” or “Happy Holidays.” Do you honestly think that the left doesn’t support your freedom of speech?
I honestly don’t understand where this “movement” is. I could always find a meeting of like-minded feminists for the women’s movement, or civil-rights activists, or supporters of the peace movement. Where is the “War on Christmas” Movement organized? The ACLU doesn’t seem to be organized to ban “Merry Christmas.” Liberal churches, to the best of my knowledge, have no dog in this hunt.
[quick hijack] Re: Red and green napkins versus white napkins
Could a teacher’s time be spent more productively with your child? Sometimes we are nit-picked to death.[/hijack]
Yes, I do. Political correctness, almost by its very definition, exists to inhibit certain types of speech and to dictate others. And just for the record, I’ve seen every bit as much censoriousness, bigotry, ignorance and hate come from the left as I ever have from the right…it just comes from the opposite end of the spectrum.
I learned many years ago that there is very little difference in the way people behave, regardless of their political affiliation.
I’m with you. I’ve never once heard anyone say a word about this except for the handful of people who somehow feel threatened by the phrase “Happy Holidays”. And I’ll tell ya…if there was a movement to join, I’d be in support of it.
The paranoid christians need to put this in perspective. Being a christian in America means you get to believe freely in whatever you want. But we don’t alter the calendar for you. The rest of America gets 365 days to believe in what they believe, too.
How is “Happy Holidays” politically incorrect? No one is insulted by this term. Quite the contrary. It is all-inclusive and less abrasive than “Merry Christmas.”
Do you also believe that, given the fact that we celebrate Christmas on Dec. 25, merchants should have the right to advertise Christmas sales and to display the word Chistmas in their stores as this date approaches? Do you believe it’s just fine to advertise items for Christmas on the television and radio? Do you believe people have the right to wish each other a Merry Christmas in public venues? In short, do you think we have the right to speak, advertise and display items regarding Christmas in the same way that we do Thanksgiving, the 4th of July and Memorial Day, or do you think public advertising, display and mention of Christmas should be suppressed because it’s insensitive to people of other religions, or to those who are atheists, or to those who feel Christianity is an impediment to social change that they favor? Or are these things, as I suspect, what you are talking about when you allege we think we ‘own’ the day?
:: sigh ::
There is nothing wrong with Happy Holidays in and of itself; there is a lot wrong with saying we shouldn’t say Merry Christmas or display the word Christmas anywhere in public and that we should replace it instead with Happy Holidays.
You seem to think people should hide away in their own homes and celebrate Christmas in secret so as not to annoy or offend anyone who doesn’t want to have to be exposed to it. Well, it ain’t gonna happen, pal! This isn’t the Soviet Union; we have every right to celebrate our holiday openly, freely and publicly…just like like anyone else.
And now, given that I don’t have another night to devote to this subject, I must bid you all adieu. Good night.