Was Europe (1500-1789) a black civilisation?

This would apply to you more than anyone else in this thread. However your posting privileges may be in jeopardy if you keep dodging questions. It’s gone on long enough.

There are some stories out there about the true cowboys being black.
Jesse James, that famous outlaw was black.
And the first two firefighters who went 9/11 into the twin towers were black but the movie made them whites.
President Lincoln was Meluncheon and coloured.
Washington had a black son.
Can anybody enlighten me?

Sorry about that, Chief.

Poisoning the well of debate.

Oh snap!

The play you’re quoting concerns Ethiopian women who want to be turned white by James I. The sequel, The Masque of Beauty, concerns how happy they are once this has been done. (Both plays were considered quite racist even in their time, BTW.)

How in the hell does this indicate that the Stuarts were of African descent?

Dear, it’s okay.

Charles II of Spain:

I’m not sure what you’re asking here, but none of it has anything to do with your topic. Pictures of Jesse James and Lincoln survive and neither looks even the slightest bit black.

So did the photographers who took pictures of Jesse James and Lincoln use the 19th century version of Photoshop running on a Babbage Difference Engine and two million punch cards to make them look white?

Very true. Many cowboys were indeed black. One of my friends has done an article about black cowboys in Nebraska. I can put you in touch with him if you like.

Bullshit, as any photo of Jesse James can attest. And trust me, you don’t want to claim him.

Cite? And please don’t burden us with descriptions of Lincoln as a “gorilla”. That would be poor form.

Cite?

I wouldn’t bet on it. You’ve not responded to any criticism in a rational manner.

You mean that Jessie James ?

Hmmm…Jesse James was HOT.

:smiley:

IF Washington had a black son, that I could possibly believe – it wasn’t uncommon for men of his time to have affairs with their slaves. (Though I’ve never seen any mention of it for Washington)

Perhaps the OP is thinking about Jefferson’s DAUGHTER with Sally Hemmings*? (I believe he had several children with her?)

*Who was, herself, the half-sister of Jefferson’s own wife.

I was born and raised in Pennsylvania. “Poisoning the well” is a fairly well-known debating technique. It’s generally regarded as a logical fallacy, as its purpose is to discredit your opponent’s argument before he or she even makes it, by co-opting the argument and falsely making it appear to be immoral. It’s a normal American usage in the context of debates.

For God’s sake, that’s the entire point of research!

You discover things, then show them to others.

No, no, no. You are mis-stating. You discover things, then sell them to others.
Egmond appears to be peddling fertilizer.

Dead ringer for Garret Dillahunt.

Since we are rewriting history and finerly bring out the truth about everything.

This is how Adolf Hitler actually died in Pennsylvania in 1987.

Hitler was also a black dude, my proof.
In his Hitler youth:
http://seethemonkeydo.com/images/other/BlackHitler.jpg

All grown up:

Yes, Jefferson or a close male relative definitely had kids with Hemmings. It’s possible that it was his brother or Uncle (I think), who were both ne’er-do-wells and may have taken advantage of her. In her position, I’d definitely opt to claim they were Tom’s descendants and not the scum-sucker’s. And all three may have slept with her, so who really can say.

Anyway, there were definitely Jefferson descendants there.

George Washington may have been sterile, though, right? He married the widow (and mother of four) Martha Custis when they were both only 27 and no further children were born.

As for black cowboys, I was taught in elementary school in the 70s in the USA that about 1/3 of cowboys were black or Latino, so it’s no secret. Jesse James, though, was a prominent supporter of the Confederacy and performed guerrilla operations on their behalf during the War. Guess he was self-hating, huh?

Cowboy wasn’t some glamorous or heroic job; it is only pop culture that fictionalized it to seem that way. It was just a blue collar, hard, low-paying, dirty job, like driving a truck (except that truckers today are paid decently and they can sleep in a comfortable sleeper cab instead of in a tent vulnerable to animals, Indians or robbers.)