M. Codfried still did not react on the refutations of his paragraph, where he explains where the Black nobility would have came from:
Julius C. writes about his Numidiancavalry, not about Garamantes. Anyway, there is no proof that either Numidians or Garamantes were black. On the contrary, they were Berbers.
Well then obviously the Berbers were…BLACK!
The Egyptians were black, the Hebrews were black, the ancient Romans were black, the Greeks were black, Henry VIII was black, Louis XIV was black, Shakespeare and Mozart and Leonardo da Vinco…were all BLACK!
Well, you know, science is no good because two people can look at DNA and have different opinions, so it can’t be trusted. Now, misquoted plays and pamphlets and 500 year old paintings, on the other hand…
So you’re saying they were from New Zealand?
500 year old paintings are a perfectly good source for historical information - but Egmond is telling outright lies about the paintings. If he thinks that John “Black-faced” Clifford has “typical African features” and the only thing white about his painting is the color of his skin, it’s no different from someone pointing at a painting of a horse and insisting that it’s a yak.
Oh I see you believe all that propaganda about how Europeans used to ride horses.
Don’t call other posters liars in Great Debates.
The person who’s potentially George Washington’s son is West Ford, who was one of Washington’s brother’s slave. Ford’s descendants claim that he was Washington’s son, but most historians don’t believe it. It’s possible, though.
Okay. Egmond is saying incorrect things about paintings. Very, very incorrect things. I guess if someone was pointing at a blue car in a painting and insisting that it was yellow with purple stripes, he wouldn’t be a liar. I don’t know what he would be. But whatever he would be, that’s what Egmond is.
The Queen played Euphoris, a water nymph, the daughter of Niger. And, as was mentioned, first, they wore blackface, which wouldn’t have been necessary if the players were themselves black. As someone who saw the masque said:
Second, as has been mentioned, the masque was hardly in praise of black beauty. The plot of the masque was that the sea nymphs wanted to be white, so they came to England so that King James could cure them of their blackness.
BTW, I can’t remember, where DID Egmond say that the “black boy” nickname for Charles came from? (Meaning, what was his source?) I can’t remember if he mentioned it in any of his posts or not.
He didn’t. He says over and over that Charles II was called “the black boy” (no source), “a tall black man” (which has been shown to be false), and “the swarthy Stuart” (shown to be way out of context).
Argent Towers, I agree that Egmond Codfried is seeing things in the paintings that aren’t there and that he’s wrong. And not just a little wrong, either. I have no idea how anyone could believe any of the royals in these paintings were black, no matter how badly they wanted to believe it. And yes, you can get historical information from a painting. I shouldn’t have been that definitive about it. But if I had to figure out someone’s ancestry, I would prefer DNA to a centuries-old painting.
He was too busy with the local rich white women. This book has a two-page spread of “All the Prefident’s Girlfriends.” Sally Fairfax had a Sigourney Weaver thing going on.
Oh, so you ARE German? 
Note to Egmond: Some 17% of Americans claim to be of German ancestry. Many more probably have a little German in them, or in their great grandmothers. <rimshot> Assuming an American is German is pretty darned safe, to the point that asking, “Are you German,” is not nearly the insult that it might be in Europe. We just don’t have the history.
This reminds me of a great quote from a book, “I’m not saying she was silly, but I’m saying that one of us was silly, and it wasn’t me.”
One group is made up of real scientists, the other group has a political axe to grind. You’re right, it is very similar to this situation.
Heh. Part-German, actually.
And as an aware person you noted the implied insult, but as a polite person you chose to ignore it? Good boy. 
I’m Irish-German-Polish-Slovak-Hungarian. Where do I stand? (My Hungarian/Slovak grandfather had a rather swarthy complexion and thick, black hair, btw)
You’re BLACK.
Your BLACK
So am I, my Grandpa (not my Grandma she is green), Bill Clinton, Napoleon, Obama, Hitler (closely related to Obama -source Fox-News), George W.Bush Jr. & Seniour, Genghis Khan, Putin (incl. his son Stalin) and Homer Simpson.
We are actually still ruled by the Black Supremacy, they are members of the Who-Knew-Klux-Illuminati-Clan which is also at fault for the current ecconomic crises and the bad weather and the cold we are suffering at the moment.
Just to clarify, why it would be an insult to ask somebody in Europe the question:
“Are you German?”
