Jack, all the information given in my last posts covers all the events in your timeline asnd several ones not included. What should be made clear it was not completely one way traffic, for example during the Arab revolt Jewish extremists were attacking Arab settlements too.
Also more importantly the intercommunal violence only started in 1920, prior to this there was virtually no intercommunal violence.
The violence was sparked by a fear (which was later to be proved well-founded) that the zionists mean to displace the majority Arab population (1920 is around about the time that zionism started to make a noticeable impact on Mndate Palestine), rather than traditional antisemtism (that’s say it did not exist).
Cites to support the idea of a balanced pattern of killings on both sides are notably absent from your posts.
As for the second part of your claim about the reason for the violence - the history of interracial and inter-ethnic violence around the world is full of episodes of the majority attempting to terrorize the minority based on fears of being overrun or displaced. Without the attacks of the period leading up to and through the Arab war on the new state of Israel in '48, a long period of peace and cooperation could have been established instead of the current mess.
We can also dream about a climate where terrorism is denounced without qualification.
Well Jackmanni, the no. of Jews killed by Arabs in Jerusalem is mot hugely higher than the number of Arabs killed by Jews in Jerusalem from when the violence first began in 1920 up until the British left (44 Jews 1920-1940 against 25 Arabs 1937-1940) Until the war of independance, the information is in my first post. Excepting the Arab-Israeli wars the number of Israelis killed in intercommunal violence doesn’t even compare to the number of Palestinians killed since 1948.
I refer MC to the first line of my most recent post, and suggest again that he contemplate the last line as well.
Jackmanii, I have cited from the book I cited in my first post (one with a heavy pro-Israel bias). I have very limted bandwidth (28.8 kbps max)at the moment this page took about 2 mins to load, other pages for which I don’t already have the icons, banners etc. stored in the temporary internet folder tend to be unloadable as the dodgy phone-line disconnects before I have a chance to download them, so this book and my memory are the only resources I have at the moment.
Condem terrorism? Yes I do, but this doesn’t mean that there cannot also be any discussion on what motivates the terrorists or if they have legitimate grievances or not.
Sounds a lot like “The dog ate my homework”.
You do realize, that of the figures you mention via your paraphrasing of that book (absolutely sure you’re incapable of finding any Internet sources that back you up?), you have come up with 482 Jewish Palestinians killed, presumably by Arab Palestinians, as opposed to 25 Arab Palestinians killed by Jewish Palestinians. (The additional figure of 302 Arabs killed does not meaningfully contribute to your argument, as there is no breakdown as to what proportion of them were killed in battles with British soldiers).
Looking at one combined casualty list you mentioned (of 125 Arab dead with 100 killed by the British), if the same proportion of the 302 dead were killed by British troops, that would leave approximately 60 killed by Jews.
Thus, according to the book you paraphrase, killings of Jews by Arabs during the period in question would outnumber killings of Arabs by Jews by a count of 482 to 85, or well over a 5:1 ratio.
That’s not what I’d call “tit-for-tat”.
"Condem(n) terrorism? Yes I do, but…
We’ll be making real progress if we can just get you to drop the “but”.
I’ve been trying to avoid Israel debates as I feel that the same issues are being constantly recycled. I delibrately included all casualties mentioned in the book (before the 1948 war), with the exception of the King David hotel (where 90 people were killed, British, Arab and Jewish).
I will concede two points however the Jews certainly came the worst off out of the intercommunal violence and the violence was initially instigated by the Arabs and did not become cyclical until about 1936 (i.e. tit-for-tat), sixteen years after the first killings. However before 1920 the last mass killing of Jews in Jerusalem (the vast majority of the Jewish population of Palestine lived either in or around Jerusalem for most periods after the destruction of the second temple) was in 1244 when the Kharezmian Tartars sacked Jerusalem (mainly targetting Christians, though many Jews were also killed) or in 1099 when the crusaders murdered, ransomed, or sold into slavery all of the Jews of Jerusalem (when the tartars sacked Jerusalem the Jewish population had only just began into return after the end of crusader rule in 1210).
Okay then I will not be abmigious I DO condemn terrorism whoever the perptrators are or whatever the cause as it is an illegitmate tactic (I myself rember during the eighties when you couldn’t find a single dustbin in central London or any unattended luggage at a major train station was taken away and blown up instantly due to fear that the IRA would strike).
I’ve been trying to avoid Israel debates as I feel that the same issues are being constantly recycled. I delibrately included all casualties mentioned in the book (before the 1948 war), with the exception of the King David hotel (where 90 people were killed, British, Arab and Jewish).
I will concede two points however the Jews certainly came the worst off out of the intercommunal violence and the violence was initially instigated by the Arabs and did not become cyclical until about 1936 (i.e. tit-for-tat), sixteen years after the first killings. However before 1920 the last mass killing of Jews in Jerusalem (the vast majority of the Jewish population of Palestine lived either in or around Jerusalem for most periods after the destruction of the second temple) was in 1244 when the Kharezmian Tartars sacked Jerusalem (mainly targetting Christians, though many Jews were also killed) or in 1099 when the crusaders murdered, ransomed, or sold into slavery all of the Jews of Jerusalem (when the tartars sacked Jerusalem the Jewish population had only just began into return after the end of crusader rule in 1210).
Okay then I will not be abmigious I DO condemn terrorism whoever the perptrators are or whatever the cause as it is an illegitmate tactic (I myself rember during the eighties when you couldn’t find a single dustbin in central London or any unattended luggage at a major train station was taken away and blown up instantly due to fear that the IRA would strike).
I direct readers who are interested in some actual rigorous information, not dueling internet sites on the periods in question to Beni Morris.