What myths exactly? Please be specific.
Like what??
Again, can you give specific examples?
Is there another source for the claim that the Old Testament was actually banned in Nazi Germany? Most U.S. papers at that time would say anything to look like they were patriotic, so perhaps a cite a little more neutral?
No, the evidence shows that fascists were/are the ones opposed to diversity, that is why they talked a lot about race purity, master races and controlling women.
https://interminablerambling.medium.com/florida-fascism-and-the-past-ea6694e10c66`
In “Eternal Fascism: Fourteen Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt,” Umberto Eco lists out features of fascism and points out that “it is enough that one of them be present to allow fascism to coagulate around us.” Traditionalism, the longing for a mythological past, looms larges as one of the defining features of fascism. This gazing backwards, immediately raises a wall to learning and expansion, it says, as Eco puts it, that “[t]ruth already has been spelled out once and for all, and we can only keep interpreting its obscure message.”
Along with a longing for a non-existent bygone past, fascism explicitly rejects any semblance of diversity that disagrees with those in power and uses the “fear of difference” as a means of solidifying and maintaining power. Eco points out, “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
I’m just going to end this conversation, because it seems like you not only are proving my point, but are also being unreasonable. Somehow, both at the same time.
The only ones who are unreliable, are you. Note, you did prove my points. All of them. You just twisted it in your favor. You literally did the research I would have done. Just read carefully what you said, and then read carefully what I said.
May I also tell you, that in 1933 Americans were sympathetic to the Nazis. Hitler won Man of the Year in 1938. The New York Times was reporting on a danger.
I’ll just let you guys bury yourselves with the holes you are digging.
You’re brainwashed.
God bless.
This does not say it actually happened. This says it was part of a 30 point proposal from Alfred Rosenberg.
Perfect
Some Americans were. Those Americans were Nazis, too.
You seem to no understand exactly what “Man of the Year” means. It’s not like a beauty contest.
And so did his ideological successor in 2016. What’s your point?
The quote from the book (quoted directly above what you quoted from my OP) said it happened. I obviously thought the Rosenberg stuff was weak sauce, thus my inquiry…23 years ago! Of all the stupid things I posted back then, this isn’t one of them.
Right. Hitler was indeed Time magazine’s “Man of the Year” in 1938, but that is not necessarily an honour. From Time’s Wikipedia item, on its “Man/Woman/Person/Thing of the Year” selection:
Hitler certainly influenced the events of 1938, but not in a good way. “For worse,” to use Time’s own words.
Yeah, I’m going to need a cite for that because it didn’t happen. At best you seem to be conflating the Nazis working to destroy the Polish Catholic church since it formed a cornerstone of Polish national identity and the Nazis planning and working to destroy the Poles as a race as the Poles were in Nazi ideology Untermensch who were to be exterminated to create lebensraum for the German people.
By 1942, the Nazis were implementing their plan to murder every Jew in German-occupied Europe, and had also developed plans to reduce the Polish people through mass murder, ethnic cleansing, enslavement and extermination through labor, and assimilation into German identity of a small minority of Poles deemed “racially valuable”. During World War II, the Germans not only murdered millions of Poles, but ethnically cleansed millions more through forced deportation to make room for German settlers (see Generalplan Ost and Lebensraum). These actions claimed the lives of 2.7 to 3 million Polish Jews and 1.8 to 2.77 million ethnic Poles, according to Poland’s Institute of National Remembrance.[a][3][4] These extremely large death tolls, and the absence of substantial non-Jewish civilian deaths in other occupied European countries such as Denmark and France, have led some, such as Timothy Snyder, to characterize Germany’s policies against the Poles as genocidal.[5]
The genocidal policies of the German government’s colonization plan, Generalplan Ost, were the blueprint for war crimes and crimes against humanity committed against the Polish nation from 1939 to 1945.[6] The Nazi master plan entailed the expulsion and mass extermination of some 85 percent (over 20 million) of ethnic Poles in Poland, the remaining 15 percent to be turned into slave labor.[7]
To clarify, I was pointing this out to the person who revived the thread, who tried to use that quote as evidence that it actually happened. Sorry about that.
I was Time Magazine’s Person Of The Year in 2006.
But who wasn’t?
Not really, the bible was not banned in Nazi Germany, there was an attempt to do so with the Old Testament, but history showed that many Christians in Germany just were not in agreement with Christians in other countries, particularly the ones in the conquered nations.
If I made an argument and that argument seemed to be in my favor then I’m not really seeing the issue. That’s called the free marketplace of ideas and the whole purpose is that the winning argument has the freedom to rise to the top.
Collectivist thinking is the domain of what group of people? So if, to you, your instinctual reaction to someone not having the exact same ideas and philosophy as yourself is equivalent to “persecution”, then where exactly do you fall on the political spectrum?
We are what we believe, not what we claim ourselves to be.
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Had you stuck around I’d inform you that I’ve read a lot of fiction. So much of it is preferable to reality in concept. but in reality it doesn’t exist at all, nor do rational points based on considering it so. But even in a fantasy world how did you avoid the whitewashing yourself?
Yes, they’re all lying liars conspiring against Christians just the way they conspired against the Nazis. And of course we know who they are, right?.
Might this be the same B.K. Neifert who wrote “The Wisdom Of B.K. Neifert”?
There’s no reason to believe that the shamanic faiths of Northern Eurasia were aware of the Jews or cared about them, prior to their lands being taken over by the Romans and, later, the Christians.
Antisemitism predates Lutheranism but it is specific to Abrahamic faiths (some branches of Christianity and Islam) and it does seem likely to me, at least, that Martin Luther’s antisemitic views were a leading force in the large amount of antisemitism in Eastern Europe during the first part of the 20th century.
Regardless of how much of an adherent to Christianity we might view Hitler as having been, he was still raised in an environment that had a larger amount of antisemitic views than most other regions of Europe, due to the influence of Martin Luther and of anti-Jewish thought that developed among other Christian groups.
The vikings didn’t care about Jews - or, at least, anyone is free to identify some evidence to the contrary.
But, note that just because anti-semitism is something that developed among the Christians, that doesn’t mean that antisemitism came from a particularly good or reasonable reading of the Bible or understanding of the views of that Jewish guy, Jesus. It’s not an indictment of Christianity, just an indictment of those particular Christians who took on violent views.
There is some. Vikings were Europeans and aware of the prevailing attitudes on the continent. I don’t know if any of it is particular to the Vikings.