I Googled BK Neifert and found his blog. I’m temporarily stunned- and not in a good way. I don’t know what to say or if I should quote the relevant passages.
I will say that I learned he also suffers from dysgraphia. The average six year old has better hand writing than I do. It’s good to know I’m not alone. One day, we’ll rise up and protest with signs that are almost but not completely illegible.
ETA I really do have dysgraphia. I thank G-d I live in the age of the keyboard.
The sagas under discussion, at your link, were written by Christians and the tales of Jews in the sagas are tales of Christians from Scandinavia going South, to convert pagans to Christianity.
Scandinavia began to convert over to Christianity around the 800s, with Iceland going over in 1000AD.
Prose Edda and Heimskringla were written around 1200, Njáls saga around 1270, Laxdæla saga in the 1200s, Sturlunga saga is a collection of writings from the 1200s, Völsunga saga from the 1200s, etc.
By the point that these were written, the region had been Christian for 200-400 years.
Though, I realize now that the vikings were an artifact of the 800-1200AD time period, and not before so that does make it a bit confusing since I was trying to specify the pre-Christian beliefs.
(And, realistically, even there we’d have to worry that the Christians might have influenced their thinking on the subject since they’d be largely dependent on mainland Europe for information about them, during the Christian period.)
Yes, not particular to Vikings. The same as found throughout Europe.
But let me amend my statement to:
The shamanic peoples of Scandinavia, the tundra, and Siberia, had no reason to have any particular opinion of Jewish people, prior to the influence of Christianity, and there’s no evidence that they were aware of or cared about the Jewish people during that time period.
That’s OK, your point was clear. Of course people who hadn’t encountered Jews or been influenced by Christians wouldn’t care about them. Even Muslim antisemitism is weak sauce in comparison to the Christian’s.
Yes. I did write that book. And I’m proud of it.
I actually had no idea it could blow up like this, Elmer. I was more telling that to you. You didn’t do anything wrong. I just answered your question.
I didn’t do anything wrong, either.
It just seemed like a timely question, considering there’s a bunch of dangerous people afoot, and censorship is a huge issue right now. And I stand by what I said. Obviously.
Except you haven’t convinced me that the Nazis actually banned the Bible.
Well, they banned the Old Testament, and I think your source says they were replacing the Bible with Mein Kampf. I think that’s a pretty important thing, actually. The Nazis weren’t Christian. They were Occultists.
It doesn’t matter if you’re convinced, only that I tell you the truth, because no one else was, and it’s dangerous right now how close we are to something like that happening again. Either left or right could be responsible for it.
I’m just for books, and saying what you want to say without people trying to destroy you for it.
God bless!
My source also inferred that Germany wasn’t one of the countries that banned the Bible in the 20th Century. My source contradicts itself. That’s why I started the thread. The writers of that book were sloppy. Their only evidence is the writings of an individual (albeit influential) Nazi theorist.
Well, that’s a first hand source. Isn’t it? And I sent you a New York Times article saying they were banning the Old Testament—obviously, because it’s Jewish. Doesn’t that make sense?
Nope, they were opportunists, they used Martin Luther’s antisemitic writings for support. One of the main reasons why the bible that Luther published was not banned. And… it did include a version of the old testament too.
And remember Jesus was a Jew named Yeshua. The Nazis had no sympathy for Him. And they weren’t only replacing Bibles, they were tearing down Church Crucifixes. I watched video of it on YouTube, which that actually got taken down not too long ago. There was film of it happening.
I mean, it is true that Nazis propagandized Christianity. But they did the same with Ovid and Homer and the Norse Canon. They didn’t principly elevate Christ because He was Jewish, but because they viewed the New Testament as Greek.
As noted before, a lot of that took place to ethnically cleanse what was not German. That there were also protestants and Catholics still running around in Germany was because they also where simpatico with the fascists.
https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/gallery/german-churches-and-the-nazi-state-photographs
Your Times article is about the same Rosenberg writings a few months into Nazi rule. Hitler never followed through. If he had, his reign would have likely been much shorter. And are you calling the Times (the Times in 1933, no less) a Jewish source??? I kinda see where this is going…
So you don’t want the Nazis to have censored Bibles? I don’t know, or care what the Times are. But the fact is that the Nazis did.
The Old Testament is as much a part of the Bible as the New to me. And My Savior is Jewish. So, if you wish to spin that as Anti-Semitic that’s a lack of good faith on your part.
I suspect he means that the Old Testament is Jewish, not the NYT
Sorry for misunderstanding you about the Times. But do you have any evidence the Nazis actually banned the Old Testament other than what Rosenberg proposed.