I fail to see how his actions violate some kind of “Jedi code.” They are, after all, warriors and not pacifist monks. The Jedi mythology is rather vague in the movies and PC games (I’ve never read any of the Star Wars fiction), though active defense of one’s allies and principles seems consistant to me.
Apart from Yoda’s silly combat yell at the start, the fight worked for me. After all the Sith crowing about the “power of the dark side” and demostrating their superiority in combat, it was interesting to see a Jedi assert his style of dominance. As mentioned above, this is also in the tradition of the true master proving the virtue of his art to an arrogant student.
A couple of questions :
When Yoda was trying to save Obi-wan and Anakin couldn’t he just push them away from the falling structure? Why couldn’t Dooku attack Yoda when he was busy trying to save the two?
Well, remember CyberPundit that Dooku and the Emperor don’t want Skywalker dead, as the Emperor has forseen his transition into Vader (I think).
You are right though, that if Yoda could suspend that object he could more easily have pushed or pulled the two from underneath its drop. Not as dramatic, I guess.
the fight was awesome, Yoda was cheapened not, as mentioned above, any Kung Fu fan knows the master always fights like a God while acting like a weak old man. It also had the loudest cheers in a theater i have ever heard when he whipped out his saber.
Another for the camp of Yoda’s sword fight being awesome. The jumping around may bug some peopl, but to me it shows he IS the Jedi Master, because he uses everything around him to his advantage in order to go Mano a Muppet with Dooku. We’ve never seen Yoda fight up until now (ep 1 and 2 speaking) because he didn’t have to. He had Jedi to send out to do the job. Do you really, honestly think that if Yoda gets into the thick of a potential combat situation that Yoda isn’t going to open up a can of whoopass? When Obi-Wan and Anakin are FUBAR and nearly at the mercy of Dooku?
Second, having read a few books and assuming they are believable as far as the Star Wars books go, I find it conceivable that the Jedi could be kept in the dark by the Force, after all according to the game Jedi Academy Yoda retreated to Dagobah because he knew the power of the Dark Side would keep him from being discovered. You’d think they could do some kind of triangulation of the source though.
Finally, a little nitpick of my own. The folks who say all of this stuff about “wars make not men great” and nitpick about the ‘inconsistensies’ in episode 2 are making flawed assumptions because it’s not chronological to the story. And you can say that and go out and kick people’s asses on a regular basis, because Yoda kicking Dooku’s ass up and down the cavern doesn’t make him great; it’s his wisdom, knowledge and desire to better all those around him through the Force that does it, imo.
Ah, but as many people have pointed out, how can it contradict Yoda’s character as previously developed when the Yoda you’re referring to doesn’t come about, chronologically, until after the events of the movie you’re watching? I don’t have a horse in this fight (I’m of average interest in Star Wars, and never saw Episode II), but this makes no sense whatsoever to me.
I do have to agree with virtually everyone about that damn commercial. If there was any scene in the movie they should have kept out of the commercial, that was it.
The other thing that really bothered me was how easily Dooku beat the crap out of Anakin and especially Obi-Wan.
If there are only two Sith, clearly Dooku hasn’t been one for too long, since apprentice #1 only kicked the bucket in the previous movie… so he shouldn’t have gotten powerful enough to defeat 2 Jedi in 30 seconds. It makes them look useless.
I think that the way it was presented is exactly how it should be. I’ve always gotten the impression that lightsaber fighting is literally 90% spiritual - you use the Force to guide your physical actions. That’s why non-Jedi don’t use lightsabers. Yoda was displaying his Force mastery just as well as he would have been by sitting in a lounge chair and moving his weapon by telekinesis.
I don’t know. I always thought Yoda was pretty transparent when he says size matters not, but he clearly is almost having a hernia lifting that X-Wing.
“Mmmm, found someone you have I would say. Wakka wakka wakka.”
Can you use the Force to move people? I was thinking for some reason that you can’t, but I could be wrong.
That is probably correct. However, the Jedi seem to have more difficulty using the force to affect living beings, phsyically. Either that or Yoda simply didn’t think that fast. My own impulse would probably be to stop the falling rocks rather than move the Jedi - you only have a split-second to make a decision.
I’m not sure. They can use it to protect themselves, or jump high and move fast, but Jedi don’t seem tp pick people up and throw them around. Even Vader didn’t try that on Luke. And with the people he choked, he was, according to the novels, just stopping the air in their throats. Go fig.
I really don’t mean this as an insult, but…
Did you even watch the movie. They quite clearly mentioned that Dooku was a Jedi his whole life, before he simply up and left and started organizing the rebellion (no connection to the later Rebellion). He is a poewrful master, the teacher of Qui-Gon Jin, and Yoda’s own former Padawan. He’s got more experience than Anakin and Obi-Wan combined. And now he as the Dark Side. There is no inconsistency here.
I’ve noticed that most of the people who opposed to that scene seem to base their decision on the aesthetics of the fight, rather than any analysis of the specific situation.
More or less true. They are like a special service of High Police. They keep the peace, mediate disputes, and stop threats to the Republic. They don’t like to fight that much, but given their profession, they wind up doing so quite a bit.
This is related to why Dooku went to the Dark Side. According to some of the other resources I’ve read, his background is that he always wanted to become the strongest Jedi around. He studied older forms of combat (notice his saber shape and combat style are very different from Obi’s and Anakin’s). He’s a master at dueling and one fo the most powerful Jedi - and Yoda. I imagine Sidious offered him something more than the Force - the Dark Side!
I feel Yoda grabbed the object instead of moving Anakin and Obi out of instinct. It seems more instinctive to try and stop a falling object than move whatever it’s falling on. He didn’t really have that much time to think or react, so he just did what came naturally. And for plot purposes, to let Dooku get away.
As for whether one can use the force against living beings, the answer’s yes. As pointed out, Dooku tossed Anakin back, and in Phantom Menace, Dearth Maul used it to toss Obi-Wan back and over the ledge. There was also a Star Wars Tales comic dealing with some guy who hunted Vader down for slaughtering his village. In the fight, Vader used the force to pin him to the ceiling. The guy just dropped a couple grenades on Vader to distract him and get free. I’m pretty sure, again, it’s mainly for cinematic effect that two dueling Jedi don’t just bat each other around with force blasts. Otherwise, you’d have fights looking like the final battle of Dark City, which was rather impressive, but makes having a light saber rather useless, and thus, no so interesting to those looking for a good old fashioned duel.
Another point that came up last time we had the “why didn’t yoda just move Obiwan and Anakin” discussion: It’s generally a bad idea to move injured people quickly. Yoda didn’t know how badly hurt they were and probably didn’t want to risk it.
Well, he may have hurt Obi and Anakin when he moved them. Also, that thing was falling pretty fast, but when Yoda moved it away, it moved pretty slow. If he moved them slowly, they wouldn’t have gotten out in time.
As for Obi-Wan going against Dooku, battle-fatigue. He was tired, sore, at the end of a long ordeal, and Dooku was in better shape.
