This tweet identifies the man on Trump’s left:
“that’s Jim MacGillvray, former senior MD at Paine Webber and Fidelity. I think his wife is an organizer of the event.”
And a couple of articles about Tim Kaine, Jesuit spirituality and the concept of magis
From the FB page of Jesuit James Martin:
Last night at the Al Smith Dinner at the Waldorf-Astoria, the annual fundraising dinner that benefits Catholic Charities, Hillary Clinton mentioned the “magis,” a classic Jesuit ideal. She said that her running mate Tim Kaine, a Jesuit educated man, had taught her about it. What is it? This brief article looks at that concept and several other key concepts in Jesuit spirituality.
Just another voice chiming in to thank Alan Smithee for his thoughtful posts.
FWIW, which isn’t much since my memory is crap and it was all around 50 years ago, my personal experience going to Sunday School in a Methodist Church matches his explanation. I particularly recall a contrast being made between “our” beliefs and the Calvinists. As a practical matter, the need to emulate Jesus through words and deeds of kindness and compassion was strongly stressed.
Of course, our Sunday School teacher was just the volunteer guy down the street, not a theological expert. But this (former) Methodist didn’t notice anything odd in Hilary’s remarks.
Repeating the whole damn thing because I married the first Methodist I met, and she, through her grandfather, became a V2 Catholic, like me and wouldn’t explain the difference. We settled on the ELCA.
But where the fuck did he get that she hated Catholics? When she was young I lived a couple miles up Northwest Highway and we in the NW burbs were either Catholic, Lutheran, or Episcopalian, and someone from another faith would be hard-pressed to tell the difference.
The funny thing is that several times during the comments by Smith and by Hilary, Trump did look genuinely amused and smiling a big smile. If he could have brought that out more, instead of Angry Donald, it would have helped him, in my opinion. There’s a lot of research that says people are more likely to win a campaign if they’re smiling and look happy.
The impression I’ve always had of Trump from his rallies and debates is that he’s angry.
The whole idea of roasts is that it’s a bunch of deadpanned, in-crowd jokes and the best ones are those that take you down the garden path, both things Trump is completely incapable of doing.
The best example is Chinton’s joke about bringing together two antagonists in one room and the punchline was about the mayor and governor.
I thought so too, which is really too bad since Trump jokes practically write themselves.
I wanted to see a joke about him not accepting the results, and tie it into his birtherism. “Trump will accept the result, he just wants the long form.” or something.
Lawrence O’Donnell showed a cartoon with pretty much the same joke last night. If the joke was plagiarized it would be very meta, but I think it is not that original a concept, so I’m betting it was written independently.
Tom Lehrer’s “Lobachevsky” is my favorite plagiarized bit about plagiarism.
Thanks for all the kind words. My heart feels strangely warmed by them. (There’s a line only hard-core Methodists will get!)
I gave up religion and theism after (actually during) seminary, so there’s not much I can do with my theological education besides hijack SDMB threads (and bore my friends at parties). It’s nice to see it has some value.
BTW, I discovered thai I made a mistake in my first post. Arminius was not a pre-Reformation theologian as I misremembered, but a Dutch Reformed (Calvinist) theologian who challenged the Calvinist orthodoxy of predestination and unconditional election (i.e., “you’re saved if God wants it and you can’t do anything about it one way or the other”).
