…and Pope.
I was getting at the idea that society was perfectly functional in 2095. So much so that they were still minting coins.
Unless the world slipped into anarchy overnight, there’s no reason to go into hibernation early. Why not set up the entire hibernation project so it’s ready to go as soon as you find “volunteers”, then wait for a sign of the end times before you start “recruiting”?
And Pope. He obviously was working with them when it started, since he pulled over Burke’s wife and son and cut the oil line under the guise of fixing the car.
Speaking of that; Pope was very lucky that Theresa was apparently less than clueless about cars. If she knew anything at all she would have known that no one could diagnose the cause of an oil leak and announce the fix (“tighten the valve”) without even opening the hood.
well, we don’t know for sure how long after 2095 society was still functional - we just know that the 2095 coins are the last ‘verifiable’ piece they have with a fixed date.
To me - it goes like -
~ 1999 Pritchert starts gathering folks - people with identifiable skills that he felt would be needed after the apololypse - he likely thought that Y2K was legit. Pope and Nurse Ratchet were among his first group and were in on the overall plan.
~ 2014 Burke and Family are ‘recruited’ -also Burke’s boss at the time was in on it, as he sent several agents in that direction.
~ somewhen after 2095 - the abbies take over.
~ 4016 Burke’s former lover is awoken
~ 4028 Burke and Family arrive.
well, we don’t know for sure how long after 2095 society was still functional - we just know that the 2095 coins are the last ‘verifiable’ piece they have with a fixed date.
To me - it goes like -
~ 1999 Pritchert starts gathering folks - people with identifiable skills that he felt would be needed after the apololypse - he likely thought that Y2K was legit. Pope and Nurse Ratchet were among his first group and were in on the overall plan. also Burke’s boss at the time was in on it, as he sent several agents in that direction.
~ 2014 Burke and Family are ‘recruited’.
~ somewhere after 2095 - the abbies take over.
~ 4014 Burke’s former lover is awoken
~ 4028 Burke and Family are woken.
I think you’re vastly overestimating the level of technology involved in minting coins.
Even if society was still perfectly functional as late as 2095, how would Pilcher know that circa 2014? The teacher didn’t claim that Pilcher was psychic (and I wouldn’t believe her if she had).
Pilcher supposedly foresaw some sort of coming crisis, but even if this is true then that doesn’t mean he had any idea when it would come, how sudden it would be, or if he’d still be around to call the shots if he waited for it to become obvious.
I don’t believe the story we’ve been told is the whole truth, but even taking the teacher’s story at face value I don’t think your objections make much sense.
I thought the same thing. He was making a huge assumption that she would be the stereotypical female that would just buy anything that he said about the car.
Also, the entire concept of abducting people by causing car accidents seems ridiculous. How do you make sure people don’t die in the accidents?
good point. Injure them badly enough that they’re compliant and/or unconscious BUT don’t kill them. Because car accidents are precision tools. Although some of them do die. Burke’s partner died. Maybe he was just unwanted/encouraged to die.
Unless the car accidents are implanted memories via the chip/brian surgery and most of them aren’t taken by car accident. Car accidents seem like a very risk intensive procedure when you could just slip someone a mickey somewhere quiet and whisk them away.
That’s another possibility. Burke’s son, though, had a broken arm/wrist which I assume we are supposed to believe is from the “car accident.”
Regarding the “suicide” that they told the kids about in orientation: from my point of view, I saw this as a definite threat to the kid and his family. I didn’t think they were saying “the stress will be too much and your family will commit suicide”. I thought they were saying “if you tell your parents, we’ll wipe out your entire family and make it look like a suicide”.
On the other hand, this thought came from my superior knowledge than the kids: I’ve seen a lot more blood-thirstiness on Wayward Pines part than the kids, who supposedly have only been there a few days.
J.
Well they could be clones with implanted memories, but the most likely explanation was that they’ve been on ice.
Well Pilcher at least would’ve needed to go on ice fairly early on if he had any hope of seeing his project come to fruition (though this doesn’t been he wasn’t awoken at regular intervals over millennia).
Okay, that’s fair. If he’s (automatically) woken up at various intervals – let’s say for a week every 100 years to scope things out – then I withdraw my objection about the arbitrary nature of reviving everyone in 4100.
If the characters played by Juliette Lewis and Carla Gugino were brought out years before Burke, why do they still look so young?
The Juliette Lewis character said she’d been in Wayward Pines for a year. So she was put on ice well before Burke (in 1999), but apparently only thawed out a year before the present time of the story.
And exactly what value did Beverly bring to Wayward Pines that she was unthawed? She had a daughter, but they did not bring the child along, even though the children are supposed to be the important ones. They did not bring the real estate guy’s family along, either. What is the point of thawing these people to keep them in a hellish prison of fear and paranoia? Did they really need a barmaid and real estate agent THAT badly?
I assume this is the sort of thing we’re going to find out in the last half of the series.
I’ve seen enough television that I am prepared for the full explanation to be unsatisfying, but it should be obvious that a ten-episode series isn’t going to answer all the questions it’s raised in episode five.
We don’t know for certain that their families weren’t brought along. Maybe they’re still in suspension. Or maybe they were awakened earlier and ended up being “reckoned”. Or maybe the hibernation process is imperfect and some don’t survive it.
I can imagine a scenario where the barmaid and the RE agent were woken along with their families and the process failed for the families. At that point they may have been targeted for reckoning, since they served no purpose, and were then intentionally harassed to the point that they broke the rules and were not given any second chances (like Burke was).
Total WAG, but since several of the Wayward Pines residents whose backstories we know were involved in affairs shortly before being put on ice (Ethan, Kate, Peter, possibly Pam if she wasn’t just serving as bait for Peter), I wonder if being seen as promiscuous is a factor in being chosen. If the goal is to breed up a large population of non-“Abby” humans, selecting people willing to sleep around a bit makes sense. On the other hand, what we’ve seen of life in Wayward Pines doesn’t suggest that there’s a lot of swinging going on.
Burke’s story reminds me of “The Giver.” They clearly want him to eventually do some specific job. Why else give the guy who is causing the most trouble access to pretty much everything? Maybe he’s supposed to take over once Pilcher and Pam die.
At least now we have a slightly better explanation for why the truth is being hidden from everyone. It’s still the fear of suicide but it’s not just one set of parents because of a talkative child.
I keep hoping that the explanation that Pilcher predicted that people would evolve into “abbies” is another lie to hide something else, but the truth is probably that the author doesn’t understand evolution.
And kidnapping hundreds (maybe thousands?) of people without getting caught is pretty farfetched.
Ignoring all that, it is getting interesting. Burke now finds himself having to work with a man he despises simply because doing so is the lesser evil in the situation in which he finds himself. It seems obvious that the two of them are headed for a power struggle.