Yeah, the town we see in the show may not actually exist in our place/time or…something. I think in episode 2 Beverly said that she had never seen a plane fly over since she had been there.
If that’s the case then there’s obviously some way to travel between there and here since we’ve seen the doctor and the sheriff outside of Wayward Pines.
Kate and the other agent were presumably sent to Wayward Pines, and the Juliette Lewis character was also sent there for her job. We don’t know how anyone else wound up there, but we haven’t heard of anyone wandering into town by accident. We have seen that there’s a wall around the town and that the only road that seemingly leads out of town just loops back around, so it doesn’t look like it would even be possible for someone to wind up in Wayward Pines unless they were either very determined or were wanted there by whoever is in charge.
Wayward Pines doesn’t seem to have a very large population, and people have been getting “disappeared” to there over at least a 15 year period. So there may not have been enough inquiries close together to raise suspicion, even if everyone in Wayward Pines vanished while visiting the same part of Idaho – which we don’t know to be the case. Since people are transported into Wayward Pines while unconscious, they could be coming from different locations.
He seemed like an obvious plant. A creepy kid just happens to be in the right place at the right time to mention the accident to Teresa? Someone set that up. If the locals knew about it, then it would be a waste of screentime to have the kid reveal the crucial information rather than just having the cashier tell Teresa.
It’s not like the kid had to do anything difficult. He just had to be in the convenience store at the right time (fairly easy to predict, as the Secret Service knew Teresa was heading for the store) and mention the accident. It seems like it would be easy to pull this off just by buying a local kid a Slushie, and we’ve also seen that there are children living in Wayward Pines. So whoever is in charge has access to a number of children, which may be significant as the ad for the upcoming episode suggests that children are somehow an important part of the purpose of the Wayward Pines community.Teresa would also presumably be less suspicious of a child than she would of an adult stranger.
that is the one. nice memory, there.
Idaho is a big hiking state. If there was a giant walled in community, no matter how deep in the woods it was, someone would have found it. Even if it said something about being for the government, people don’t leave that kind of stuff alone, they ask questions, they get reporters to dig, they keep going back. I know I’m just poking holes in the show, but hey, maybe there aren’t any holes in the show (and it’s not supernatural) and it they have answers to all these things.
I’m also hoping the the time/space thing doesn’t happen. I don’t like misleading ads and that isn’t what I signed up for. Even worse, if we spend 9 episodes trying to get this sorted out and in the 10th they say ‘ha, fooled you, they were time traveling’ that’d just be a waste of (my) time.
It’s like Last Man On Earth. We had two months of commercials about this show where there was only only one person left on Earth. Turns out he was the last person left on Earth for about the first half an episode then they started bring new people in pretty regularly. By the end of the season there was, what, like 10 people left on Last Man On Earth. Not just a stupid name for a show, but totally misleading ads. If they had been honest, in both respects, I still would have watched the show.
If this show turns out to actually be set in “our” Idaho, in contemporary times, in this dimension, that will surprise me more than any other twist they could dream up. But IMHO there’s such a slim chance of this being the case that I don’t see much point in even discussing the possibility.
Why?
If it turns out to be all a dream or an hallucination, that would be a waste of time because it’s similar to a deus ex machina. You can do anything and have anything happen and then wave it all away without having to explain it all.
But time travel isn’t like that. You still have to explain things in that context so it can still be interesting. And really, unless it turns out to be all in his head, then time travel or some other kind of time distortion (high speed space travel?) or some sort of suspended animation seem to be the only possible explanations for the time differences.
ETA: Okay, I can think of another possibility. It’s all a computer generated virtual reality. Perhaps the other people are all just part of the simulation, or perhaps the simulation was sped up for them before Burke came along. I hope it’s not that, because that’s just a variation of the “it was all a dream” cheat.
Well They did make a hypnotherapist the headmistress of Wayward Pines Academy. Also I’m a little confused by that finale scene between Burke & Nurse Pam; is Burke still sheriff, or did Pam just take over? 
I think Burke is Sheriff, but Sheriff is just a figurehead. Pam seems to be the person giving orders, or at least one of the people giving orders.
She doesn’t seem to be another innocent taken there against her will. It appears that when she was younger she seduced Peter in a bar, got him drunk and possibly drugged him, in order for him to be sent to WP. That would seem to indicate that she’s in on it somehow.
Unless he and her were both kidnapped against their will, but that’s not the impression I get.
We just cleared out the DVR of this show (we’d gotten three eps behind.) The Fella and I are both really liking it (watching it as a mini-binge works really well.)
As I said before, Howard makes me gag. But I even liked his unhingededness in this. Lewis and Dillon I can take or leave, but enjoyed them very much in this. And of course, Melissa Leo can no wrong ever! (H:LOTS 4 Lyfe!!!)
In looking at the different theories about what’s going on–i.e. is it time travel or something, I was wondering if any of the gearheads could notice like what years vehicles are from? In the town, it looks like everyone but the sherriff walks around pretty much or rides a bike creepily in the fog. (Didn’t the sherrif have an '80s/early '90s ish vehicle?) I remember that panel truck that Dillon stowed away in looking older.
I for once, deleted everything after we watched, so I can’t go back and check.
The person that does the reviews for the show on The Onion’s AVClub has an interesting theory for what s/he thinks is going on and the reviews are fun to read. (There are also no spoilers from the books allowed in the comments.)
She only looked young. Peter said when he woke up the next morning with her in a different hotel room, she was older.
I gots no idea what’s going on. While I’m kinda enjoying just going along for the ride, I’m hoping the reveal next week lives up to the billing and clears SOMETHING up. Can’t imagine what the common thread is behind all these different people being locked up. Who is behind/paying for it? And no idea what the things atop the cliff/outside the walls are.
I thought in an earlier ep Pam and the sheriff had indicated that they both took orders from someone higher. The sheriff also worked outside the walls to bring in Burke’s wife. Burke should figure out how the sheriff got to go outside the walls… And I don’t even try to figure what role the psychologist/tree hybridizer is playing.
My WAG of the moment is that they are part of an experiment terraforming another planet. The “garage” is the space/time port, and the creatures outside the walls are aliens. But if I thought too hard about that, I’m sure it would fall apart.
I generally pay attention to cars - especially older ones. Nothing really jumped out to me. But I’ll pay more attention next week.
My pet peeve for the week - so how did that rope get affixed to the top of the cliff for Burke to use climbing out? :smack:
They sure were making a big deal about those “Buffalo Burgers”. Except for Mrs. Fisher, who preferred the trout.
I have a feeling that the bombing that Ethan feels guilty about not preventing is somehow going to figure into this.
Not necessarily. There’s been something odd going on concerning time and aging. The one agent Burke was looking for, Kate Hewson, says that she’s been there for years and she looks older, even though she went missing only a few weeks before Burke came looking for her, at least according to his experience.
It’s available on On Demand if you have Comcast. Also Fox has all of the episodes that have been aired available for free online at http://www.fox.com/wayward-pines.
One thing we haven’t discussed is why bodies are left in that old house apparently for days, and what eventually happens to them.
Do they become food for whatever is outside the walls? Is there some weekly supply run (the panel truck or trucks?) that brings in food etc. and takes away waste, including bodies?
Also, Beverly said whe was born in 1960 and that she came there one (or two?) years earlier in 1999.
Peter also pointed out that there were no calendars in town.
Buffalo burgers indeed!
Someone (Pam?) said that this was Peter’s third strike. Did Beverly have two previous strikes?
Assuming it isn’t Time Travel related, it could have just been a different person. When I’ve been knocked out for surgery, even twilight sedation with a Versed/Benadryl/Morphine cocktail, I couldn’t tell you if the nurses that took care of me when I woke up were the same ones from before.
I was trying to figure that out as well. It could have something to do with something or it could be a ‘hey look, Twin Peaks’ reference.
I noticed that as well, but I couldn’t tell if he was climbing with that or it was some kind of line at that top. If he was climbing it, it could have been set there by someone previously. Other people have tried to escape (remember, there was a map and backpack in the woods) so that may have been from someone else. Or Ethan had a grappling hook.
Two things.
1)Spray paint guys infractions were probably fairly minor. He seemed to be a rebel. The guy who runs around trying to incite riots and propagate rumors/truth about the government. Spray painting property is probably just the third thing he’s done to get himself arrested.
2)Beverly, OTOH, may have already had two strikes against her, she seemed like she may have been a bit of a troublemaker, at least in the beginning (like Ethan). But my guess is that digging out your chip and running is grounds for automatic reckoning. They really, really don’t want ‘civilians’ getting out.
It does seem like everyone is aware that they’re there and wants to be there. But I’m guessing that most of them didn’t come there by their own choice and took some convincing for the first few months until they finally gave in/gave up/stopped fighting. It seems to be expected. Everyone seems to understand that Ethan is trying to get out and they don’t have a problem with it, it’s almost like they know that if they just keep him sort of contained he’ll run out of steam after a while and accept the situation…just like they all did.
I thought what ultimately got Beverly killed was “talking about the past” when she mentioned that she had a daughter.
Removing the chip and/or trying to escape doesn’t seem to be grounds for immediate execution since Peter had obviously tried to run in the past and Ethan has been made sheriff after running. Did Kate also say she tried to escape at first?
Regarding the aging of different people, I think there’s definitely an element of time travel/manipulation or some state of suspended animation that people are placed in. Teresa’s car had obviously been in the warehouse place longer than a day or two because it was covered in dust. Beverly though it was 2001 and she had been there for two years. She was born in 1960 so she would be 54 if it was 2014 in WP, but she’s obviously not that old.
Ethan saw Kate five weeks ago, in 2014, but she says she’s been there 12 years and has obviously aged 12 years.
Dr. Jenkins and Pope have been seen outside of WP in 2014 but appear to be the same age inside WP.
The fact that no airplanes are seen to fly over, no TV, cell phones or Internet and no radio except for when the guy plays the piano point to WP not existing in the same time or place as our 2014.
I still think that the bombing that Ethan failed to prevent led to some event which ultimately causes the entire situation we are witnessing (whatever it is.)
That’s all I have for now. 