Weird 9/11 Ref in C.S. Lewis's "Voage of the Dawn Treader"

Ok, who wants in on the pot for how long it takes glee to get flamed for this oneÆ

Ive got a dollar on 6Æ15 PST, tonight.

Tenebras

And the day Alduous Huxley died. This is no coincedence, this is a conspiracy.

On a related note, in the Harper’s Index this month (or was it last month?) they had an item that was about a band called “I am the World Trade Center” and they had a song titled “September” which was track number 11. The album came out in May of 2001 I believe. In any case it was released before september.

Odd. It was a coincidence I’m sure, but still interesting.

Making connections between different apparently unrelated or semi-unrelated things is what humans do. In some cases this results in great things; art and science both owe a lot to this penchent for mking connection. Sometimes the connections people make are misleading or wrong or dangerous or simply pointless, but sometimes amazing things happen. This is why I appreciate the coincidences I see even if they mean nothing.

Certainly attempting to connect everything is silly, and certainly a lot more goes into art and science than simply making connections, but making connections is still very important to both.

I am gratified to know that the Dopers are still as keen as ever to debunk incorrect assumptions, fighting ignorance is important, but I also think you may have been a little hard on the Original Poster.

I thought the OP was a joke and everybody was being “Whooooshed!”

Then I caught the tone of Zoggie’s follow-up posts, and changed my mind.

You may be waiting longer than you think!

You didn’t include the previous sentence:

  • originally posted by glee*

This makes it clear my point is that we react emotionally to reminders of previous tragedies, no matter how small or large.

I am well aware that the loss of one childhood pet is different from your country being attacked by terrorists, just as I expect you to be aware that people attach less significance to events in far-away countries. If (God forbid) India and Pakistan start a nuclear war and kill millions, and simultaneously Bin Laden is captured, I know which will be the lead story in US papers.
(I’m not criticising - this is a universal trait.)

I agree.
There is no reason to flame glee.

So was Lacey Chabert. So much for coincidence.

Whoa doggies… I didn’t say that I thought glee should be flamed, I was just taking bets on when he would be flamed. It’s just that people tend to be a bit touchy about this whole thing, and though I thought it was funny, it seemed like some people might think you were trivializing their pain, heartache, selfless donations to charities for large tax write offs, etc. No offense meant.

And hell, who cares about India/Pakistan anyway, if they want to nuke each other into oblivion, that’s their own business, as long as they leave me out of it. :wink:

Tenebras

At the very beginning of The Big Lebowski, as the Dude is writing out the check to pay for his half-and-half, the date he writes on the check is Sept. 11th, 1991 …

He looks up as he’s writing to see President Bush (Sr.) on the TV, who is saying “This will not stand. This will not stand, this aggression against - uh, Kuwait.”

Strange coincidence! (Though we find out later that Dude had actually postdated the check; his landlord reminds him that “tomorrow’s already the tenth.”)

Unfortunately you CAN’T be left out of it, the fallout will go all around the world.

You’re not the only one who gets a wierd feeling around this stuff, Zoggie. I’m of the opinion that coincidences and synchronicities are not always just statistical oddities. The more I let coincidence guide and change my life the better it seems to become.

Other than personal experience, I have no proof, and I accept I may be wrong. But my instincts tell me that there is something communicating to us through coincidence and when we listen our lives tend to unfold in the strangest most beautiful ways. I’m not the only one to have noticed. Maybe it’s wishful thinking and there is nothing there, but just maybe this is how the universe tries to guide it’s children torwards whatever our destiny may be.

DaLovin’ Dj

Wow, and when you think about this, combined with the fact that C.S. Lewis and J.R.R. Tolkien were old friends, and Tolkien foresaw the same disaster, naming volume II of Lord Of The Rings “The Two Towers”, it gets more and more eerie! :slight_smile:

Actually, nothing important happened on Sept. 11 on the Dawn Treader. That’s just the last day that Eustace remembered to write in his diary. They didn’t go ashore until September 12, which was the day he became a dragon.

I know exactly where you’re coming from. I avoid ships at all costs because:

April 10th, 1912: the Titanic set sail on it’s doomed maiden voyage
April 10th, 1977: a doomed maiden (me) was born

This sort of thing can’t possibly be conicidence :o

My grandmother was born on February 13th, 1908.
My niece was born on February 13th, 1971.

No one in my family has ever regarded this as a cosmic connection. But it was, when Gramma was alive, a convenient reason to get the family together for a tandem birthday party.

I’m supporting Zoggie. No prediction. Just something that was innocuous when it was written and is now one of the many thousands of triggers Americans will have for a long time.

I’m thinking of one of Ruth Rendell’s Wexford books (An Unkindness of Ravens), wherein the inspector grumbles, “This “evidence” all too pat; it has to be a construct.” (It was.) He goes on to ask Burden, the other inspector, “Have you ever known such a neat coincidence?”

Burden replies, “Both my grandmothers were named Mary Brown.” Which doesn’t contradict Wexford’s suspicions, but I found it amusing anyway. “Have you ever heard of such a thing?” “Yes.”

Ooh! Ooh! Me too! Didja know that in The Sum of All Fears (the book, not the movie), Tom Clancy blew up a security guard by the name of…wait for it…Bill Clinton! :eek: Obviously the author had foreknowledge of the death of Bill’s presidency and represented it the best he could.

Coincindence, schmincedence, says I.
Best,
Snicks

Addition:

[sub]'Course, Clancy also blew up my Vikings. Perhaps the man is prophetic - witness last season. Bastard.[/sub]
Best,
Snicks

I watched ‘Enemy of the State’ awhile back and one of the characters (Hackman or Voigt, I think) was born on September 11. It was on cable, so I was slightly surprised it wasn’t edited out. Then I wondered why I expected it to be edited out. It’s weird how innocuous references like that stick out after an event like 9/11. I imagine people noticed similar coincidences after the Titanic or Hiroshima

Thanks, Rilchiam. I read the same book recently (no, this time I won’t claim cosmic coincidence :)), and it sort of made me think of this. There are a lot of weird things out there, and I just thought it would be fun to bring this up. Not because it signifies anything, just because it’s sort of weird to see how things take on a newer meaning after an important event. People brought up similar ideas, about the Simpsons NYC episode and how it felt surreal watching it now. This was meant to be in the same vein.

Actually, no.