That’s true.
Are you saying you’ll be paying attention in this game? That seems a different MO from the most recent game I’ve played with you as Town 
Why do people keep getting hung up on that? Tom pondered the idea of supernatural scum. He never said he knew they existed, he merely tossed the idea out for discussion.
**Vote Count:
AlkaSeltzer(1): Oredigger
Tom Scud(2): Boozahol, CatinASuit
Boozahol(3): Freudian, JoeyP, Meeko
Freudian(1): NAF**
I didn’t expect to live until endgame in that one. I figured I would sub in, be killed, and that would be that.
But yeah, I am paying attention.
Don’t quote me out of context, please.
I was clarifying the case against Tom for someone. You mkae it sound like it’s my case.
I’ll accept your apology now. 
A thou…10 apologies. You’re right it was taken out of context.
NETA please add a comma between ‘right’ and ‘it’.
This quote, FTR, is FS’s justification for a vote on the Squid, critising Squid for voting for Tom Scud for little reason. And frankly I find it a stretch.
“You’re voting to lynch for a really stupid reason.”
Yeah, it was a stupid reason. But early on Day 1, you are lucky to find even a stupid reason to vote. Nonetheless, people need to vote. Whether or not you agree with the Squid’s reasoning, he did have something to base it on.
“Tom was doing was trying to put out an idea. By jumping on him, you’re discouraging anyone who might come forward with a good idea or theory about the game, because someone could just as easily say, “Only scum would know that.””
This isn’t leaping on Tom for having an idea, it’s leaping on Tom for having (at least in the eyes of some) a strangely specific idea. There is a world of difference between saying “there might be supernatural elements to this” and “the Scum might be supernatural”. On Day 1 especially, that difference can be enough to base a vote on.
But I don’t think this kills discussion. You have a theory, bring it up, just be cautious in the wording.
“And there’s no evidence that only scum would know that–ANYone who’s played or knows about mafia games knows about supernatural roles.”
With nothing in the colour that says that there are supernatural elements in this game, the only people who would know for certain have such a role or are Scum, and one of the Scum has such a role. Apart from the “weird” in the name, this so far just looks like a brutal gang of murderers versus some humble townfolk.
So while I don’t agree with the Squid’s vote, I don’t see it as a votable offence, and I don’t really buy this justification for the vote. And only because it’s Day 1 do I feel this is enough of a case. For now.
Vote FS
Are we even playing the same game here Ed?
Booz Voted for someone, and did not give reasons.
I saw him not giving reasons.
I have yet to see him do other things without reasons.
I wouldn’t want to have to wait till then though.
Wow. You Sir deserve to stick around with counterarguments like that. You’ve got something. Let’s hope it’s pro-town.
UnVote Boozahol
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Wow Really? REALLY?! Ok… Slowing it all the way down to sloth speed::
He is too casual, as in, he is not formal. If I could, based on the information seen so far in this game, I would bet that Tom Scud is NOT VT. He is too comfortable in his speech, he is almost talking as if we all, like him, are not VT.
I am, in short, agreeing that he is ACTING (not saying he is) on some level that VT are not. He probably has inside information on something, and he did not fully clean up his speech.
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In the Spirit of Boozahol [Heh, Liquor Pun] :: Wait, You don’t want me playing logically now, Ed? That says a lot, comming from you. And answers many questions I have about you, at the same time.
Yes, at the time I said it, it seemed logical to me. :rolleyes:
What Scum is going to say “HEY I’M SCUM! VOTE FOR ME!!!”?.
Further instructions for Ed :: Meeko is actually using the above as an example here. You can also expand that example to include actions or other slips that may or may not include editing. In all likelihood, you should do this, as scum probably will not do this.
I’m speechless.
Meeko, please don’t be offended if I ignore you from time to time. It’s not personal.
I really think it will be counter productive to engage you in conversation. You just don’t say things that I understand, and it often gets worse when I ask questions.
Don’t respond to him if you don’t want to, Ed, but don’t ignore him. This isn’t a game where not paying attention to one or two people helps anyone… and it sure does lead to convenient situations where scum can play off each other while not acknowledging it.
Yeah, that’s more what I meant. I’ll read what he has to say, and try to understand it, but I can really get drawn into conversations trying to figure out what people mean. And in this case, that could easily become a distraction. I’ll try to avoid it.
The pessimism isn’t helpful. Statistically, we’re more likely to lynch town than scum on day 1, but that doesn’t mean we shouldn’t make every effort at scum-hunting. Anything we can do to tilt the odds in our favour helps.
@Meeko – Take more time editing your posts please. If you’ve got something to say
@Freudian Slit - What do you think about the other players who voted for Tom?
Haven’t heard much from a few players yet, in particular Zeriel, Storyteller and Roosh.
It’s all right, special ed, I keep an economy-sized bottle of ibuprofin around whenever I have to comprehend what Meeko’s on about. Really, it’s the same as **peekercpa **used to be–there are ideas under there, but they’re not coming out in an understandable way yet.
Alka, I’m just taking it all in. I’m not sure I like Tom’s defense of his potential PIS slip, and I’m equally not sure whether I like **Freudian Slit’s defending him for it. ** Meeko is, as always, confusing.
Of potential interest is Storyteller saying he had a huge post last night that he was going to try to reconstruct, and then disappearing.
On scum-hunting:
As I’m roughly 95% sure that the Boozahol-me vote-off was a town/town thing (Boozy is right now at the top of my list of “likely town” and of course I know I’m town), it occurs to me that the six pilers-on (on both sides) are a decent place to look for Scum. I’m taking this from a sample size of 2, but in the Lost game Telcontar piled on to the Meeko/pede dust-up that inaugurated the serious vote-trading, while in the Crimson Glyph game, Mahaloth was the all-important vote #3 on Serious George 1 in 6 isn’t great odds, but as other players are picked off this could be a decent post to come back to.
I’m keeping my vote on NAF for the moment. The other pilers-on are
Freudian Slit
Joey
Roosh (got in a fight with a Diebold machine)
CatInASuit
Meeko
I’m voting NAF because he “me too” voted on me while snuggling Boozy. The fact that he jumped off the wagon once it had started rolling, but with plenty of excuse to jump back on, doesn’t exactly change my mind there.
FS technically isn’t a piler-on, as (s)he started the lynch vote on Boozy, but I could see a scum-FS thinking that there would be a pretty good chance of drawing a crowd of OMGUS voters.
Also, I think in the Boozy-FS debate, Boozy has the better side: one of the reasons I’m pissed about drawing this firestorm is that I actually don’t think wanky discussions of what possible roles are in the game are going to be very useful. Vote-driven counteraccusations are much more likely to be fruitful, even if the original case is completely asinine. However, being on the wrong end of a strategy argument is not necessarily scummy.
Joey, as someone else pointed out (ed?) jumped from being vote #2 on Alka to vote #2 on Boozy. Is he a secret member of the Christian Temperance Union? (1)
Roosh dropped in a vote (or would have if the formatting was right), with at least a bit of supporting reasoning, then disappeared, but claimed computer troubles. Worth watching for sub-in purposes.
CatInASuit is acting like a prat, which kind of militates in his/her favor, although a scum-Cat might figure that Boozy was already drawing the OMGUS vote, making it safe to be a bit more aggressive.
Meeko voted for Boozy for reasons that he was not able to communicate very clearly to the people who quizzed him about it. The only thing I’ll say here is that he took a similar approach as Town in previous games. Oh, and to his credit, his jump off of the Boozy wagon has pretty much de-escalated the early blow-up, as there’s now a three-way tie for first at only 2 votes each, with a couple 1-votes on the side.
(1) That was a joke, based on the fact that both of the abbreviated names suggest “alcohol”. I am not claiming secret knowledge of Joey’s role, or of the existence of a Temperance Union role. In fact, I am not even claiming that it is theoretically possible to know anything at all, since after all it is possible that an evil demon is manipulating the evidence of my senses to lie to me(2).
(2) That was also a joke, and a reference to Rene Descartes(3). I am not positing or even theorizing the existence of invisible demons in the game.
(3) I am also not positing the existence of a Rene Descartes role in the game.
Mahaloth, you missed my vote on NAF (#190)
Honestly, but, not as much, you are the same way sometimes.
I regret the tone I used earlier.
When it comes to using the words I use (to start off with, not the tone I used after you told me you do not understand) It is not like I am going out of my way to confuse. I would not chose to do that.
**Mahaloth : I also Unvoted Boozy
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