My tossed-off remark to FS aside, I don’t actually think that my vote needed a long and drawn out explanation. Apparently, between MHaye and several other players’ comments, it was reasonably clear what I was picking up on.
And even if you expect a full explanation for a vote, this is Day One. It’s not like I, or anyone else casting a vote today, have an iron cast reason for doing so. It’s most likely Tom Scud’s not scum: but it seems to me that the sort of remark he tossed out makes it more likely that he knows more about the set-up of this game han I do. And that does suggest scum.
I’m not a loose cannon, just someone who doesn’t think that delicately crafted mathematical proofs of scumhood are possible on Day One, and who didn’t see a better target. Take that as you will.
I’ve noticed this as well. Perhaps because the people who have played with me in the past (and I haven’t actually played through a whole game since SDMB Mafia, which is going on six months ago), look for some sort of rationale behind what I’m doing, and so made the connection between your quote, my remark (which was unintentionally cryptic, I admit, if you didn’t recognize what I meant by “Good to know”) and the vote placed.
I’m not entirely sure of the reasons being arrayed against me by this New Order. Apparently, placing a first vote without a hell of a lot of reason is a classic scum manuever. From what I’ve seen of scum both online and in live games, a more classic scum move is to hide in the shadows and slip seamlessly into lynches against non-scum. Even when occasionally forced to make an early move, they don’t draw attention to themselves by doing it Day One. Now, I know that scum don’t always do the classic scum tricks (I’m looking at RoOsh here), but if you’re looking to catch out a scum on a day One mistake, what I did doesn’t qualify.
What Scud did tends to qualify as knowing a little more than he should. I’m slightly worried that I might have outed a Townie power role with some sort of anti-supernatural flavor, but I think it’s more likely that I haven’t.
I’d comment on Meeko’s case against me, but I really don’t fully understand it. If It smacks a little of a third-grade playground crush. (You know, where you chase or hit the pretty girl?)
I don’t agree with Boozahol’s reason for voting Tom, but I don’t see his vote as scummy. He saw a possible reason to vote, and took it. Some early game agression is essential to get the game moving, and it has got some discussion going.
That doesn’t follow, placing a semi-aggressive vote does not equal over-eager to lynch.
I find that a bit of a stretch. That would be a poor move for scum, unjustified or weakly justified votes always attract attention. In his original vote post, Boozahol bolded the word Weird, so it’s clear he had something in mind when he placed the vote.
I don’t know anything about Deadlands, but reading the wiki page:
It seems a possible inspiration for the game flavour.
The fear angle fits with what we know so far, and the other bit I’ve underlined might give us a way of testing that idea. The wiki page also links to another titled “Weird Wild West”:
He’s voting to lynch. And it’s a really bad, nitpicky reason. It just reads to me like he saw something that looks like it could vaguely be plausible and he jumped on it. I don’t know, I just don’t see it as all that convincing.
I will opt for Nanook’s explanation over Special Ed, who apparently has never heard of the “Based on what X has done, or, hasn’t done” expression before. [The Implication here, Ed, is to do something based on actions seen, short of that, you have to do something else, based on actions unseen.]
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Nanook**: I’m not sure what you are after, so take your pick from the following:
A.How Does any Day 1 vote (As they are making it) help anyone find scum?
B.Your answer assumes that I would know who the scum are.
But who said that you have to vote for the person you most want to see lynched all the time? This is a game about generating information and sometimes a good ol’ vote will do that. People will react to the vote and how they react gives more information etc etc. Early in the Day and especially when that Day is Day 1, voting for a nitpicky reason in order to get the ball rolling is totally valid. You have played in enough of these that I would think you would understand that.
So I guess what I am asking is…why do you want people to be afraid of voting?
Vote early vote often, that’s my motto.
I have done some cogitating and decided that I do not want to continue to vote for Tom.
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for trying to paint Boozy’s vote in an anti town light when I think she knows full well it isn’t.
METAGAMING! Wooha.
To be fair even if I didn’t know she knew this, I would still be voting for her right now based on the attitude.
Now, If I ask why Scud is saying this, if he is scum, would that be WIFOM?
I could drink the wine, or I could simply go with the surface reading : I’m not sure that scum would offer this information, at any point in time, especially on day 1.
I would bet that Scum are going to sit on their powers for the first day, so as to not stick out.
I honestly don’t see the slip here. Are we commenting on the fact that the voice he is using is a bit off? [That is to say, He seems too casual with it.]
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Quasi Related: What is the status of the votes on Alka Seltzer? It would be interesting to see what the people who voted for him have to say, with this much time removed.
I’m voting to lynch?
Really?
This is why you find me scummy?
Christ a’mercy, I confess. Yes, in this game where we vote for other players with the intention of lynching the highest vote-getting… I, Boozahol Squid, P.I., voted for another player with the intention of lynching him.
It’s not the best reason in the world. But it is a possible scumslip. If you don’t find it enough of a reason, that’s one thing. If that’s the case, you shouldn’t vote for him as well.
If you think it’s a totally concocted excuse, that’d be another. But if that’s the case, I’d like to hear a little more from you in the vein of why you suppose it’s completely implausible to the point where you distrust my motives so much.
On the other hand, if you’re voting for me because I was the first person to throw down a vote other than the ones on the edit-because-the-rules-said-he-could guy… well, that’s just bunko. It’s an aggressive move whose upshot is going to be reducing the volume of conversation and number of votes on record. Is that really what you want?
You’re voting to lynch for a really stupid reason. All Tom was doing was trying to put out an idea. By jumping on him, you’re discouraging anyone who might come forward with a good idea or theory about the game, because someone could just as easily say, “Only scum would know that.” And there’s no evidence that only scum would know that–ANYone who’s played or knows about mafia games knows about supernatural roles.
I’m the only one voting for Alka Seltzer and I still think the same thing as I did when I voted for him. If we make rules that are not enforced by Maholith then we need to enforce them.
Now that being said I don’t think editing a quote tag makes Alka scum and it is always preferable to vote for scum over anything else so once I find a case that I think indicates that someone is scum then I will quickly change my vote over. More then likely my vote will not end the Day on Alka but I haven’t seen anything that is more compelling then stating emphatically not to edit.
OK, first question. Can you tell me what WiFoM means? You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
I don’t see any WiFoM there. What some people are saying they see is called PIS for Perfect Information Syndrome. Tom seems to be implying that he knows that Scum have supernatural powers. If he were jut your run of the mill Town player, he probably shouldn’t know that. That causes some people to suspect him.
Secondly, what do you mean that he seems too casual with it? No, never mind, just answer the other questions, skip this one. I think it will only confuse me further.
I know I shouldn’t, but why do you think this? Is it just something that popped into your head and you decided it make good logical sense?
That seems to be his general posting style actually.
Meeko, I asked you a very simple question. Do you think voting for Boozie will help find scum, yes or no? Your list is nonsensical. Your reasoning, or more accurately the lack thereof, does not help provide any useful data to the Town. I’m not assuming you know anything about the Scum, and it isn’t what I asked you. I’ll let you know how my vote helps find Scum as soon as I place one.
I don’t know. I bet if we had perfect infromation it would be quite telling. I don’t know about anyone else, but I plan to refference these pages frequently in the coming Days as we start finding out who is who.