I think the general consensus is that people do whatever type of analysis they want to on whoever they want to.
Many people here will not respond well to being told what to do and how to do it.
So, I would suggest to you that you do your analysis of whomever you like and post it however you like to. You may get instructions or advice on how to do it, but no one can force you to do a WoW or not do it.
Unvote Special Ed
I hope town would not hold it against me, if I can not make up my mind for a Day 1 vote.
Why would you expect us to give you a pass for not voting? That’s one of the worst things a Town player could do.
Because apparently, anyone I vote for, is wrong.
The martyr act isn’t very becoming. If you vote with no reason, or for frivolous or stupid reasons(OMGUS, he’s a loose cannon like me!), then you will get heat for it. And rightfully so. If you put out a well reasoned, well thought out vote, you won’t get heat for it.
**Everyone:
USCDiver is replacing AlkaSeltzer. Welcome USCDiver!!!
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Wow, that was weird. A lot has happened overnight, and much of it chaotic.
Meeko, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: I believe you have potential as a player. You think differently than most of us. Yes, it gets you into trouble sometimes, often even, but if you keep a cool head that difference in perspective might just help Town out in a big way.
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Snipped the opening of OreDigger’s.
FTR: I still believe, for the time being that Scud is not Scum. Thus, I have no intention to vote for him.
Working from that::
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When it comes to the context of Power Roles, Why do we have votes on Scud, but not on Digger?**
So, I think there is undue voting on Scud. Something got started here on him, that I don’t think belongs.
**This would throw my vote back to Boozy. But, **Having had voted for him earlier today [That sounds weird.] I don’t think it would help town to have him exit this early. I can’t appeal for people to understand me, and vote to lynch the people who probably understand me the most at the same time. [That is to say, I feel comfortable assuming that Booz can understand me better than other players.]
I then look at the second person to Vote for Scud, and not Digger. But, NAF strikes me as a Chronos type figure. He is playing things very neutral, and for the time being, I value his insights even if he may be scum. NAF gets the pass here as well.
Which brings us to the thrid person to vote for Scud.
Now, I am led to believe that the third person to vote for someone is a scum tell. I am also lead to believe that the person who points out that someone was the third person to vote for someone is ALSO a scum tell. So, I simply point to the can of worms here, and do not wish to open it, by voting for Cat.
The action, and rationale for CatInASuit vote here, remains to me, kinda, schlepped together. Especially when we look at the third person voting etc. Seems overly bandwagonish to me. I might have been out of place for merely suggesting that we are all town, but, I at least stated it was an extreme case. Cat’s statement here::
Hello there, how do we know that the scum have power roles? It’s something we can guess at but certainly not assume.
Is something that. is frankly, strictly worse than what I “just threw out there”.
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FOS CatInASuit
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**But. Something else stuck out further. **
Pede, why is it that you know so much about prostitutes, and why do you offer so much information on them? Why do you fail to mention the most obvious role that prostitutes can have?
I believe that Pede is a scum roleblocker. A Prostitute. Prostitutes would, in color, visit houses and prevent someone from doing anything else at night.
In fact, IIRC, one of the first tutorials I have ever seen on MAFIA basically called scum roleblockers “prostitutes”.
Vote Pede
This is the best case I have so far today. I think that [relatively speaking] it is well thought out.
It is also still a first day vote. But I like it.
I can guess what Pede has to say here. I am not concerned with that.
To other players: Is this … better play from me?
Meeko, to date, that was, your best post ever. Well though out, persuasive and coherently put together.
Well Done.
NETA, it was a long post with a lot going on in it, expect it to be picked apart line by line now and as the game goes on. People will agree with you on some points and you’ll take heat for it on some points (possible a little from me). If you can defend it as well as you wrote it, you’ll have the makings of a strong Mafia player.
I think this is.
I understood what you were trying to say, I believe.
For me, it’s much much much much much much more clear when you don’t use analogies and actually say what you mean.
Now, to answer a question you posed. I think oredigger’s post doesn’t appear to be PIS because he list some general western roles and what they might mean. Scud was pretty specific about Scum having supernatural power roles. I admit when I read that, I was wondering why anyone would think that.
When I read Oredigger’s post, I saw typical western roles and some guesses as to what they might mean. I was a little concerned that someone might slip and say something like, “no, I think the sheriff isn’t a protector but a roleblocker.” indicating they might actually be the sheriff, but no one appeared to do that.
An interesting thought you have about prostitutes and Scum roleblockers. I do recall the flash tutorial you are referring to.
Most people pay no heed to the 3rd vote is a scum tell theory.
I do not really follow the entire “Third vote for X is a scum tell.” I mean, it’s toxic to tread there, but, given what I believe (And that is all we have, at any point in the game.) I don’t think the move on Scud was right. So, you know, just looking at what other people (in this and other games) … you know, lit up on, became active with… My statement that we are all town, is nothing compared to Cat’s
But, Frankly, I wonder, if we do have… Escorts in this game, what their purpose is, other than to roleblock. And, well, Pede is just to eager to offer it, … at some reduced capacity. I would call it a slip, but, I’m not sure where to point, if I call it a slip.
Tag in.
Yeah. For the life of me, I can never remember the URL. IIRC, you were the one that linked to it, back in Glyph.
But again, for first day, I think it is solid, if not correct.
At the risk of un-doing what I just posted:
I am lead to believe that this game requires a LOT of notes being kept.
I have about 7 lines of handwritten notes so far, and they were all notes on Oredigger and Joey’s early on Alka vote, and 143 146 and 157.
So.
I will not ask, IF, but, How.
How many notes do you guys keep, and how do you organize them? Analog/Handwritten or Digital/Computer?
I may only be 26, but, I doubt I will ever be able to go with out paper and pencil. Ever.
Some players take many notes.
Some players take no notes.
Do whatever works best for you.
Here’s the best summary of the roles:
http://mikeburnfire.sitesled.com/mscumB.swf
Here’s a flash animation of the basics of the game (with a link to the above flash animation embedded in it)
http://www.sitesled.com/members/mikeburnfire/mafiascum04.swf
It’s been a busy couple of days, and I’m trying to deliberately cool myself off, so that I don’t jump the gun and screw up…again.
But my next post will probably have a vote. It’s midDay.
**Vote Count:
Freudian(4): AllWalker, MentalGuy, Storyteller, Boozahol
Boozahol(2): Freudian, JoeyP
NAF(2): CatinASuit, Oredigger
Meeko(2): Specialed, Nanook
Tom Scud(1): Zeriel
Oredigger(1): NAF
Zeriel(1): Tom Scud
Pedescribe(1): Meeko
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Huh. You know Meeko, that was probably the single greatest post I’ve ever seen you make. And it’s a great point. Now that you’ve brought it up, I’ve seen prostitute used for role blocker before as well, I think on the mafiascum wiki. I don’t think I’m ready to switch at the moment, but you’ve certainly given me something to consider.
And the third vote is a scum tell thing only works with people who don’t actually know that it’s a scum tell. If people know the rule, it no longer works. Same with the point out the third vote is a scum tell is a scum tell.
Why? Because it’s a good scumhunting tactic.
See, every action has a town-helping/town-hurting value. Voting for a scum is TH. Voting for a townie is -TH. Proposing a wild theory that’s completely off is -TH. Composing a cunning gambit that nets a scum is TH.
But the problem is that both town and scum have reasons (not necessarily good ones) to do actions that are TH or -TH. For example, a townie might vote for a townie because he has a grudge, or because he finds him annoying. A scum might compose a cunning gambit because it gives him town credit, or because he’s actually a traitor. And so on. Just because someone’s hurting town doesn’t necessarily scum–although the more often they hurt town, the more likely they are to be scum.
The important thing is the motivations. You have to ask yourself, ‘Why would a townie do that?’. And if you can’t come up with a good reason, that might mean they’re scum.
So I thought about Boozy. I thought, ‘Why would he vote like that, if he was town?’. The obvious answer was that he was rushed. It seemed relevant, so I posted it. Mystery solved.
This is ridiculous. He’s really not that hard to understand, and I don’t understand why you all pick on him like that. You know, sometimes I think his reputation is proceeding him. Like, if it was NAF or Rysto who posted the things he’s posting, you’d stop and try to figure it out. But it’s Meeko, so y’all just skip it and assume it was nonsense. And now you’re trying to force him out of the game? That’s stupid, and cliquish.
That said, I don’t think it’s scummy, per se. If you (generic) were scum and he was town, and you thought that way, you’d want to keep him in the game for chaos purposes. If you (again generic) were scum and he was scum, you wouldn’t want to start a bandwagon on a fellow scum Day 1 for annoyance purposes.
Pretty unlikely, actually. From my experience in modding games, scum don’t tend to sub out unless it’s a pressing issue, like a family emergency.
I’ll tell you why. I’m designing another game, one based on the 1994 movie Screamers. The movie is set in a mining planet ravaged by war, and the evil villains are robots pretending to be humans. Since the main plot doesn’t allow for a long period of sitting and talking, I decided to set it in an imagined ‘Last Outpost’, a typical Western mining town…IN SPACE! The three roles I suggested are actually roles I’m considering for my set-up–and now that I’ve said that, I’ll probably have to not use them.
Coincidentally, Mahaloth is helping me balance it and will probably comod it. I imagine he won’t confirm here that he is helping me, but if you want to test my claim, I would gladly invite anyone here to help with balancing (since Mahaloth isn’t being very talkative). I’m going to be running it on DoMeBo, or on IdleMafia if I win the lottery in time.
Alright, now that I’ve caught up, I decided to do a WoW on FS, because she’s the vote leader:
And since it’s gonna take a while, it will be in my next post.