Cucuy.
I believe you have said that you have a 75% chance of success in your investigations. Do you know whether, if a “fail” result should come up, you get no answers or wrong answers?
Might you have got such a wrong answer from your investigation of Storyteller? Could that be one of the reasons you were told to “be careful?”
And if you don’t know this, can you investigate yourself, to prove? (Granted, you have to fail first, but, you would know what happens)
o.O
I’m not ready to vote Story yet… this seems too… easy.
This might bite me in the ass, but I’m doing it anyway.
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CIAS**: How do you know the scum board is 24-7?
Vote Cucuy.
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FOS CIAS
FOS Allwalker**
This is was too fast if you ask me. In terms of looking at posts, if not indeed actual OOG time. Either way, the amount of thought needed for this vote is not here, and I think that might be a problem.
Again, this vote seems way to… easy. That is, something doesn’t add up for me here.
If you are town, then, there is a case to be made that your ““Be careful”” caveat might make you … less town later, so that if the lynch does happen, we might have to vote you off later. (You might become scum, or compulsory vig.)
HOW IS THIS PRO TOWN?!
If it was anti-town when I asked about it back in Glyph or Lost, it remains anti-town now.
Yeah… something is rotten in Denmark, and this game.
NETA:
I didn’t ask if we could shorten the day, I asked that we didn’t talk at all for a day.
Both result in a “dead” day.
I think it is 6 one way, half dozen the other.
Same result == essentially the same question.
**No.
Vote Count:
JoeyP(1): Oredigger
Storyteller(3): Cucuy, AllWalker, CatInASuit
Cucuy(1): Meeko
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So how about those Mets, huh? Another major injury. This is one the most disappointing seasons in recent memory, and for me the worst part of it is that there doesn’t seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. I think the Wilpons are going to use all the injuries as a reason to keep Omar Minaya around, and it really drives me nuts that Minaya gets a pass for assembling a team that is injury prone and so top-heavy in terms of talent that injuries to the good players creates a complete apocalypse. It’s frustrating. Well, at least football season is coming, and the Giants promise to be pretty good this year.
In other news, I am Scum.
Feel free to lynch me; I know nothing about the warning given to cucuy about me and can think of no downside to the Town to lynching me. I’d fight it, but what’s the point, you know? We’ve all heard this song before.
Since I’m revealed, though, there is a critical bit of information that I am going to share with the Town on behalf of the Crimson Thorns, which is this:
There is almost certainly a third-party element in this game. First and foremost, the color we received in our PMs (which I will obviously not share with you - sorry about that) strongly suggests the presence of at least one third party: the wording is vague enough to allow for a group third party. Our color also suggests that the third party in question can steal our win, in any case; there is no direct implication that the third party can steal yours, but no indication that they cannot, either.
I am sharing this information because while I certainly don’t want the Town to win, the idea of a third-party stealing the win pisses me off even more. I recognize that I will be generally disbelieved - and indeed, that I should be - but that doesn’t make it any less true.
GO SCUM!
Huh. That’s not what I expected to wake up to by any means. On the other hand it means I was right!
I’m going to claim now. Some people are going to think I’m nuts for doing so, but I’m pretty sure this is the second time that I’ve been in this situation, where I’m 99% sure the scum know exactly who and what I am, and therefore there is no reason for me not to.
I’m the Town Doctor. There are two reasons I’m sure the scum know who I am. For one, when I protect someone, they get a PM saying they were protected. This is relevent because I protected Storyteller on Night 1. Since he has since admitted to being scum, they clearly know that a Doc exists. That in and of itself is not enough of a reason to claim of course, since knowing a Doc exists and knowing who the Doc is is not the same thing. But there was this post that caught my eye.
There are a few other occasions where Oredigger talks about there being a Doctor in the game. By itself, nothing special. But the confidence level he displays, combined with the fact that we know now that the Scum know for certain about the existance of a Doctor, it twinged me. Not enough to say anything before this, since I could have been wrong and there’s no reason to out myself just in case I was.
So we come to last Night. I had options. The obvious one would be to protect the claimed Detective. But I thought about it some more, and I realized that if the Scum knew there was a Doctor in the game, which I was 80% sure they did, then it would be a bad play for them to try and take out Cucuy. The correct play for them would be to try and find the Doc, on the assumption that he would be protecting the detective. There was no reason for them to believe that the Doc knew that they knew he existed, so he wouldn’t be self protecting and they had a good shot at taking him out. Of course, if I’m right, then one of them slipped up and I was forewarned. So I self protected. Now we wake up and there’s no NK. I was ready to claim right then, but then Oredigger made his claim of blocking Joey and it gave me pause. But with Cucuy claiming that Story is scum, and Story openly admitting to being Scum, I’m back to believing my original idea.
Long story short, I believe Oredigger is lying and therefore scum. I think he made up the bit about blocking Joey last Night in an attempt to turn a bad situation for the scum into a mislynch. He would be able to claim plausible deniability when Joey came up Town by saying something like, I guess I was wrong about my block being the reason for no NK, must have been a Doc block instead.
However, I’m not willing to lay down a vote yet. I want to hear from Joey first. As for Story, this seems like the perfect time for a one shot Vig to use his bullet, given the possibilty of a recruitment or bomb with Story’s death.
I don’t buy this.
If this were a straightforward, powerless-Scum game, story would have denied the charges, and only if it seemed inevitable admitted to being Scum. And even then, only if revealing this info is worth sacrificing a Scum for.
Unless this is a bluff.
Personally I am worried that lynching story will have some built-in trap for Town. Based on this, I would advise Town that, since a lot of these “vengence” type powers target those who vote for them, that a minimal number of people vote for story toDay. In fact, theoretically Town could lynch story with one vote if no one else votes at all, two in the case that story votes in self defence. I know I know, having only 1 vote on the board a) costs us info and b) runs the risk of a last minute vote hijack, but are these considerations relevant toDay? We have a confessed CT so the voting should be pretty uniform, and hijacking the vote would be incredibly Scummy.
This is an unusual situation and needs unusual ideas - here is one I am advocating.
Meeko, what’s with the FOS? If player A claims to have investigated player B and they turned up Scum, you lynch player B. Unless you have reason to doubt, then you consider lynching player A. Sometimes people are quick to jump on a case because there isn’t a lot to think about, and a successful investigation is one of those times.
On preview: interesting, Nanook. I will give this more thought when I am less tired.
Meeko, unless you honestly and truly believe we are sitting at Lynch or Lose right now, there is absolutely no reason whatsoever to vote for Cucuy over Storyteller. Could he be lying? Of course. (Nevermind that story admitted it, this is more general advice.) But the downside of lynching the detective isn’t worth the risk unless we’re in a situation where a mistake would end the game. There is no way in hell we’re at LYLO right now, so therefore there’s no reason whatsoever to vote Cucuy.
It doesn’t say WHO did it, but the PM I got this Morning said “You had an oddly enjoyable Night. You were rather preoccupied during the Night, though.” so take that for what it’s worth. So Oredigger may be what he says he is, or he could be a Scum Roleblocker…OR, one of the other scum is a roleblocker and he’s taking credit for the PM, that certainly a common enough tactic, or he is the town roleblocker. Eitherway, I have no powers anyway, so roleblocking me wouldn’t do anything.
As for Story, I’m confused. This is only my third game and the only other time someone claimed scum was when there was no question whatsoever of their alignment. I forgot what happened but Paul somehow got outed.
I think it’s strange to come out and say “I’m scum, vote for me!” when people weren’t 100% sure about him one way or the other. OTOH, if he did slip somewhere along the line and is expecting someone to figure it out, there’s a proscum motivation in doing this. If everyone get’s their votes locked on to him right away with no interest in changing it, they tend to forget about the game until the next Day.
Well bah. That undercuts my Oredigger theory. I’m not sure what the correct move is now. I’ll have to give it some thought.
Wow, interesting night. I’m not sure what to make of Story.
The only time I’ve seen something similar was in the T2 game where there was a known converting scum so a different scum tried obviously to get lynched so we lynched our number 2 candidate who was the converting scum.
I know most people don’t believe I’m town but how about this as an idea. I’ll block Story tonight so he can’t harm us and we have Boozy take him out. This way we can insure that he does no harm and we don’t have to worry about a lynch bomb.
This would also enable to town to spend the rest of the Day hunting scum instead of waiting for Night to fall with no discussion as so often happen on the Days of a guaranteed scum.
I agree, there is probably a trap. This is why I have put in for a Day kill on Story. One of my powers is a Day kill. So if story is a bomber or something like it, I should be the only one hurt. We shouldn’t need to lynch him.
I have the most uncanny knack for just shutting down a mafia thread. Tons of conversation going on and then I post and everyone shuts up.
Huh, well, Story got shot but story ain’t dead.
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vote storyteller**
It’s because we need to digest the brilliance you spill forth. At least that what I tell myself when my posts kill a conversation.
I’ve got a couple of questions about this. First off is this the best use of your powers Between me and boozy we could also avoid having to lynch Story but still leave your plethora of useful powers available for other actions. Secondly if you go through with this maybe we should talk about doing a bunch of confirmations toNight like me blocking you.
I’m not sure we want to have power roles with useful powers voting for Story especially when there should be enough vanillas to do the job. Secondly I still think that we might want to spend the Day looking else where instead of focusing on the auto-lynch of Story and just have him viged/blocked toNight.