Oh and before I forget. One post on Day 4 and not a mention of the result for your “action” carried out during Night 3.
vote MHaye
I guess it doesn’t make sense for me to be the only unclaimed player.
I am Vanilla Town.
CIAS.
I’ve actually told everyone everything I know about my Night 3 action. Simply put, I forgot to send it in, as I was distracted.
I remembered last Night. I watched Meeko. Meeko did nothing all Night.
I wasn’t intending that as a strong smear, nor much of one against either of the other two players I mentioned. It’s one of the great advantages and burdens of being a Vig: when carrying out a Vigging, hunches tend to come more into play, and there isn’t a whole hell of a lot of accountability involved. q.v. my comments at the start of this game against an active Vig.
I never knew that stack of money with the googley eyes was named Mhaye.
(Hums Rockwell’s ‘Somebody’s watching me’ (Can’t get no privacy."))
CIAS, did you have a point with posting the voting just upthread? I’m not sure I see it.
**Vote Count:
MHaye(1): CatInASuit**
I’m in the middle of examining cucuy, but I have to do homework, and go to bed, and go to class. Won’t be done untill tomorow night.
Town List Claims:
Vanilla
- Zeriel
- Pedescribe
- Meeko
- JoeyP
- AllWalker
- CatInASuit
Power Role:
- [del]Tom Scud[/del] Cucuy - Investigator
- MHaye - Watcher
- NAF 1138 - Inventor
- Oredigger - Roleblocker
- Boozahol Squid, P.I. - Vig
Dead
- Freudian Slit - Vanilla - Lynch D1
- SpecialEd - Vanilla1. NK - N1
- MentalGuy - CT Roleblocker - Lynch D2
- Storyteller - CT Vanilla - Lynch D3
- [del]Ro0sh[/del] Natlaw - Vanilla - NK - N3
- [del]Alka Seltzer[/del] USCDiver - Miller - Lynch D4
- Nanook of the North Shore - Doctor - NK N4
Time for a WoW on the scum, see what drops out.
MentalGuy:
#48: fluff
#79: fluff
#167: thinks vig should take someone out, scummiest thing so far is BS PI + NAF votes for cucay. Doubts both are scum. Is not going to vote USC Diver over editing.
#218: backtracks on casting doubt on BS PI + NAF vote, can understand why they did it.
#281: Comment about someone being lynched for PIS statement on Day 1. Says cucay situation is like that. Can’t blame people for voting like that. Agrees with USCDiver that Oredigger looks wishy-washy, but thinks he appears that way as well.
#288: Top three suspects: Freudian Slit, NAF1138 and Meeko. Also lists JoeyP and Oredigger as lesser suspects as well. Gives reasoning for thoughts and votes FS.
#294: Wants to vote Meeko over his OMGUS vote for Special Ed but really thinks he is town.
#345: Response to Zeriel about PIS and all cases he has seen so far were from town.
#618: fluff
#634: Major post with thoughts on all players. Highlights:
Null Tell: Natlaw
Neutral: USCDiver, Nanook, pedescribe, Meeko
Leaning Scummy: MHaye, Oredigger, JoeyP
Leaning Town: Storyteller, AllWalker, CIAS, Zeriel
Assume Town: cucay, BS PI, NAF1138
#659: Response to NAF about having trouble making cases against fellow scum. Comment that of Orediggers claim could just as easily be scum as town. However, breaks three way tie, unvotes Oredigger and votes JoeyP
Ok, so my thoughts on this. I think NAF was on to something in that Mental Guy was following along with the game. There is not much to go on and a pinch of salt needs to be taken, but as scum he has to fit in and be as townie as possible.
Looking along how his comments reflect on the current live players, his initial comments about PIS make me think that all three of NAF1138, BS PI and cucay are town. He can’t support the PIS claims but can understand why people are voting that way without actually placing any votes in that direction.
The other thing that caught my eye was the large justification in #634 as to why pedescribe was neutral. Why?
Oredigger - plenty of comments in that direction, but is this scum on scum or scum on town?
Also interesting was his switch from Oredigger to JoeyP at the end of Day 2 as MHaye pointed out. It did not mention self preservation which is curious indeed.
A question for MHaye is why didn’t he abstain his vote at the last, seeing as USCDiver voted within the last minute?
Also, pedescribe, how did you know that if MHaye switched votes from Oredigger to JoeyP, it would condemn MentalGuy?
At this point, I’m looking at MHaye and pedescribe as scummy.
Next up is storyteller (oh boy, won’t that be fun)
A WoW on storyteller
#30: fluff
#95: fluff
#107: fluff
#179: disagrees with NAF about Vig
#189: fluff
#268: meta game stuff: against optional vig killngs, assumptions are a bad thing, ties are really, really, really bad and must be avoided.
#346: Comments on NAF1138 and Boozy voting against cucay. Further comment against Freudian Slit and JoeyP and their actions
#351: Spends a while running through the previous posts and votes Fruedian Slit in the process.
#355: OOG comment on voting Meeko out. Is suspicious of FS and JoeyP and thinks there is scum in the NAF/BS PI/Cucay/CIAS quartet somewhere.
#357: Response to USCDiver
#397: Response to Freudian Slit as to why she is being voted for.
#450: fluff
#570: Comment about forcing the scum to take out a 3rd party role or use a Vig instead
#572: Comment on the roleclaims and wincon handshakes + analysis
#643: Comment on the claimed powerroles that one of them is likely to be scum or possibly third party
#705: fluff
#769: confirms self as scum, states to town that there is a third party element to the game.
#784: Surprise he has powers he doesn’t know about. (Naf said he tried to use a Day power to take out storyteller)
#793: comments about the 3 investigative roles + Doctor + Vig and says he knows which are scum and which are not and thinks 3rd party is in there.
(Strange he doesn’t also mention our roleblocker as well??)
#801: fluff
#803: Thinks NAF is a third party given all his powers and votes for him.
#804: Says he has been 95% truthful
#904: fluff
Well, what to say other that it’s storyteller as scum, so I need a small mountain of salt to go with it. 
My thoughts is that he probably was more truthful than not, but perhaps its what he doesn’t say that might be more useful.
Two things do pop out. The first is his very loud message up front that Tied votes are bad and must not be allowed. Well, we know this in general, but this seemed more emphatic than usual. The second is his comment on the town power roles in #793 where he doesn’t mention oredigger
Also, if there is a 3rd party player out there, then the scum can go deal with him. Ours is to remove the CT from the town.
What is interesting is the CT wincon from Mahaloth #602: “Crimson Thorns win when they can control the vote.”
A tied vote is not necessarily control of the vote and so I have a hunch that tied votes may not be bad for the town, but possibly bad for the scum, in that if there is a tie involving a CT, the CT dies.
Not totally sure whether I am right or not but…
**unvote MHaye
vote pedescribe**
following what might be a slip about mentalguy being lynched and possibly knowing what would occur if the lynch was tied between joeyp and mentalguy
Condemn him to death. As in, if MHaye switched his vote from Oredigger to JoeyP, MentalGuy would die. And I knew that because I could count. (although not particularly well, since I failed to see the second tie)
Ok, so your three posts are
Your vote count
Followed by MHaye wondering if he should switch from Oredigger to JoeyP following cucay’s vote for mentalGuy
However at this point, the official vote count was
Oredigger(4):
MentalGuy(4):
JoeyP(3):
So if MHaye was to switch, it would be a tie between MentalGuy and JoeyP.
Correct, it does create a tie. But what bugs me is why you think this will lead to MentalGuy being killed, as you mentioned in the previous post, because we don’t know what will happen in the event of tied votes.
It’s not the terminology being used, it’s why you used it that counts.
In defense of Ped, I think what he was saying is that if one person moved their vote from digger to me, it would leave the other person in that tie with the highest number of votes. My guess is that Ped was just observing what would happen if one person left the tie, not where that vote would end up.
- Diggers block choices are bugging the heck out of me. But I do not think he is Crimson Thorn. I don’t know what to do with that information.
- Pede’s vote record looks the most suspicous to me of all the players, if we go by vote analysis alone. He pushes the bad lynch of FS, he pushes the lynch of Digger instead of Mental Guy.
- I think JoeyP has the correct interpritation of pede’s comments above, but I don’t think that means that pede looks any less scummy when you look at the events surrounding him. It just takes that one bit of evidence off the table.
Let’s see what happens if a wagon get’s going on Pede.
vote Pedescribe
NETA: my first point above is badly explained. I don’t think digger is CT based on his sluttiness, and the verifyable fact that he is still able to target players. That doesn’t make him town, but it makes me less inclined to believe he is CT.
I have just had a thought, feel free to criticise the logic or data.
So MentalGuy was the CT Prostitute, a roleblocker, who was killed by lynch Day 2. Now, Oredigger claimed to sleep with me Night 1, which inspired me to come up with these possibilities 640:
I still see Option 3 as a possibility, if and only if Oredigger and JoeyP are both CT. By this theory, the following events occured:
a) Night 1 MentalGuy slept with me. I woke up with the wonderful Night PM.
b) Day 2, Oredigger false claims Town Slut, taking credit for Mental’s Night action. If they are both Scum, this is trivial. Oredigger was inspired to do this by suspicions falling on him.
c) Day 2, MentalGuy is lynched. Oredigger is now in trouble, as no one else will be receiving the roleblock PM.
d) Days 3 and 4, Joey pretends to have been slept with to cover for Oredigger.
I haven’t overlooked some glaring piece of evidence, have I?
I did a WOW on Z since I’ve seen his name come up several times toDay and he’s in the vanilla pool where at least one scum is probably hiding.
#178: Doesn’t have a problem with [del]Tom[/del]cucy’s list of who hasn’t posted. States NAF said that power roles won’t win the game for you. Doesn’t think the vig should kill Night 1 unless they think they’ve been exposed and vig knowledge needs to be balanced against risk. Doesn’t want to vote for Alka for editing.
#206: Talks about how scum lost a lot of people to PIS slips in LOST but generally agrees with [del]Tom[/del]cucy’s ideas. Thinks the jury is still out and wants to see how [del]Tom[/del]cucy defends himself.
#256: Says that Meeko is hard to understand. Doesn’t like [del]Tom[/del]cucy’s defense of PIS or FS’s defending him. Comment’s that Story claimed a large post and then disappeared.
#336: More comments on Meeko. Says the problem with [del]Tom[/del]cucy’s and FS’s defense is that they think only the scum have supernatural powers. Comments again that he’s seen PIS nail lost of scum. Votes for [del]Tom[/del]cucy.
#358: Defends his wanted to mod-kill Meeko and claims that [del]Tom[/del]cucy’s vote is OMGUS. Also states that he’s suspicious of Special for winding up Meeko.
#373: Regrets asking for Meeko to be mod-killed.
#388: Tells Meeko that generally it’s bad for to meta-game substitutions and tells him to look for patterns.
#396: Explains what WOW means and says that who does WOWs on who is potentially good info.
#436: Compliments Meeko on his WOW on FS but his vote will stay on [del]Tom[/del]cucy
#458 Night fluff
#510: Comments on the Night 1 results and speculates that someone can possibly bring people back form the dead. Continues vote for [del]Tom[/del]cucy. Tells Meeko that Mahaloth isn’t a gastard yet.
#515: Explains to Meeko that delayed information reveal isn’t that unusual and asks what Meeko thinks it weird about this game.
#537: Asks for Pede’s win condition and offers a one word handshake.
#539: Offers up the handshake to everyone
#541: Claims handshake offer is to quickly check is a handshake is possible.
#543: Tells Meeko that one word handshake is just to see if it’s possible later we will mass claim PM or part.
#545: Notices that both his proposed handshake and Meeko’s can’t be true.
#555: Tells Pede that it’s ok if he doesn’t want to handshake.
#573: States that people without win conditions need to be quite since they seem to be power roles. Since the vanillas don’t want to handshake posts his win condition.
#584: Tells Meeko that town win con is normal and they are standard. Questions the timing of cucuy’s claim but unvotes him. Says all of the claiming is odd.
#621: Comments on the number and relative power on the roles claimed wouldn’t be surprised if more roles were hiding that were of an equal low power. Explains Closed and open setups to Meeko.
#641: Wants to wait for Allwalker** to confirm me and states that power roles won’t win the game for town but them being uncovers decreases there power but makes them semi-confirmed.
#642: Fluff
#658: Says he’s been sick and having trouble focusing on the game but likes NAF’s case and votes for Mental.
#727: Asks who I blocked on Night 2.
#729: Says that Maholith has used both a scum and town roleblocker before.
#810: Says scummy Story raised a good point about third party but we can’t trust him and votes for Story.
#835: Admits that Story could be a bomb but since Z in vanilla he has no fear but doesn’t want power roles in on the vote. Also tells Meekoo to trust investigators until they are proved wrong.
#970: Refuses to try and guess how many scum there are. Votes for Diver and asks Cucuy to explain why he chose Diver.
#1000: States that NAF’s Daykill should be questioned since Story came up as vanilla scum.
#1046: Agrees with AllWalker that we need to assume Mahaloth is telling the truth about Story being vanilla.
#1062: There are lots of options for how **cucy[/]b’s investigation could be wrong about Diver but until we know what Diver is it’s impossible to guess.
#1071: Fluff
#1103: Thinks that Joey not mentioning that he was blocked is important but isn’t sure which way to moved based on it.
There are a couple of things that ping me in there but in general I don’t think there is enought to vote on. First off after being suspicious of Special Ed for winding up Meeko and then saying he wasn’t going to interact with him Z has spent a lot of the game talking to Meeko to be fair this is probably Meeko’s best game after the early game problems.
Secondly he hasn’t proposed a case or gone after anyone yet. I realize this game has been quite in general but it struck me as off.
One thing that he brought up was NAF’s failed Daykill and I think it might be worth going back and revisiting this if we don’t have a good suspect toDay and lynching NAF to prove his lynch stopping power. He and MHaye are the only ones that haven’t had someone else at least kind of verify their power (that I can remember).
I don’t think I’m ready to vote for Z but I figured I’d put out the information.
Yep, me sleeping with NAF, unless all three of us are scum.