It’s insulting because @dgy called it pathetic.
I’m not ill or need a comfort animal. I’m not pathetic either.
Why not just leave it up to the proprietor? We go to a dog friendly brewery specifically because it is dog friendly. We spend a small fortune there each year.
We did a Pets & Pints fun run there Sunday. There was a huge crowd. Your wrist band was good for one drink after, and there was free ice water. I asked the brewer if it was worth doing these events, and he assured me that it was a brilliant business move.
You shouldn’t have to deal with it. Apologies if my post was unclear; My objection is with 2 groups. Other dog owners whose pets misbehave and cause trouble/mess. And a less-common group who are likely to cause damage if I leave her in my vehicle in the parking lot. I’ve encountered the first many times, and a friend had to deal with the second. If others did train their dogs to behave safely and politely in public, we wouldn’t have these issues. She could accompany where dogs were welcome, and wait in the truck where they aren’t.
Again, apologies if I was unclear where my ire was directed. The “incompetent whining” is referring to the idiots who drag their untrained creature into the store, and are offended when others react to being jumped on or threatened. I don’t think other patrons should be forced to be around my dog, and certainly not in grocery stores or restaurants. I do feel that if other owners were responsible and only brought well trained pets with them, dogs would be more welcome. I worked for a while in Scotland and saw how things could be. Lots of dogs, in bars, restaurants, hotels, etc. And all were quiet, staying at the feet of their owners. It frustrates me that we “can’t have nice things” here because of the irresponsible.
No, she doesn’t have to be with me everywhere. I’m just annoyed at being limited due to others’ behavior. A pet peeve of mine on a lot of subjects, I must admit.
This 100%. If a dog is a problem, they can be asked to leave. Or just do no dogs allowed.
Last December I was at the Mall. I was there being interviewed for a job in the food court.
Someone had their 2 dogs there, barking loudly.
I don’t recall any of the previous respondents citing their illness and NEED as a rationale for these beliefs.
And who defines what constitutes a comfort animal? The poodleish dog that I mentioned is large enough to topple her owner; surely large enough to topple someone unsteady on their feet. Yet, playful and loving. Should she be allowed in public places?
Esp when any jamoke can buy a “vest” that proclaims “service animal”.
I spent some time at Guide Dogs for the Blind in San Rafael (no idea if it is still there). The dogs are trained in the facility and, later, in a staffer/volunteer’s home FOR UPWRDS OF 12 MONTHS – so they become acccustomed to being at their (eventual) owner’s side 24/7/365. The trainer’s role is to actively train, not befriend or be-pet-owner. This, before the dog is released to an owner who will similarly AND CONTINUOUSLY maintain the dog’s training.
Despite this, I have personally seen such animals “misbehave” in public. This can put their owner’s LIVES in jeopardy so there is a strong emphasis on training.
How much trraining does the typical PET owner put into their animal?
That’s wrong and they should have been told to leave.
“If…”
Society imposes the rules that IT thinks are appropriate.
IF everyone honored locked doors, there would be no theft.
IF everyone drove correctly, there would be no “accidents” (how is it EVER an “accident”? Were you not operating the vehicle??)
IF…
We don’t bring children into our workplaces because they are disruptive (regardless of how delightful you may think YOUR kids are – how many folks love sitting next to an infant on a 3 hour flight?).
We don’t walk into the autoshop while OUR car is being serviced because it puts the owner/operator at risk (injury).
We don’t consume alcohol while driving because it puts others at risk.
We…
Then you should concentrate on getting other pet owners to be more responsible, fight for legislatation to reinforce these behaviors, etc.
But lamenting the fact that others don’t want to indulge YOUR needs is selfish.
Ah! I see, sorry I misunderstood. I was wondering what the “incompetent” referred to. I can be a very competent whiner if I set my mind to it. LOL
I don’t want to depress you, but MANY of our restrictions are in place because of a significant minority of people.
And dogs are often allowed into certain establishments because society thinks it’s appropriate.
Almost all children would be. And it would not be good for a child to lay down close to the parent for hours on end. Dogs are a bit different.
Yes there would be. I lock my doors because Black Bears have figured out how to open doors. Both on houses and cars.
I can get behind that actually. But if a child runs in front of your car, and you steer to avoid killing the child and hit a car, is that an accident? I would call it driving properly and being alert. It’s still called an accident though.
I can agree with that. Depends on the shop though. It can be very busy, almost choreographed between mechanics.
Now some restaurants are the same, and a dog could be an issue. Many are not though.
Ok. I brought up the comfort animal thing.
We’ve recently had another thread on comfort animals/service animals, and the difference. I conflated the two threads.
My apologies.
I do.
I’ve held an infant on a 3 hour flight. Worked out pretty good.
And if you enter such an establishment, you wouldn’t be surprised to encounter a dog! Cat? Service pig? Service pony?
But, you only occasionally see a sign WELCOMING animals. Most will condition it with “service animal” – what’s that (in the eyes of the law)? Vendors are slow to prohibit ANY behavior as they fear it may impact their sales, negatively. So, adopt REactive policies as a result of complaints or lawsuits citing their ENABLING of the condition that caused the loss.
I can’t recall a bear being prosecuted for theft. Any more than a hurricane being prosecuted for the damage it inflicted.
The onus is on the property owner to protect against these “threats”.
We have a pair of mountain lions in the neighborhood. Who’s responsibility is it to keep them off my property?
The law would say that you failed to maintain a safe distance. You are responsible for anticipating any hazards and taking precautions to avoid them.
A diligent shop owner would go out of his way to keep you from being at risk, if only to protect himself from a lawsuit. If he can be proven to have encouraged or tolerated behaviors that increased his risk, the insurer could argue that they aren’t responsible for backing his loss.
Explained to patrons, most folks can appreciate this practice so there’s no practical risk of alienating customers.
The local gas (natural) company replaced the main lines throughout the neighborhood. They use a “horizontal drill” to do this. Having never seen one, before, I was interested in learning how it works: how do you steer it?
The supervisor kept having conniptions because I was “too close” (for his comfort) to the worksite. Really? Just how close is too close? Can you cite some standard that your employer follows? Or, are you just being overly cautious because of your own fears?
To me, your warnings appear unsubstantiated; what’s going to happen that will make me regret standing here? Or here? Are YOU not closer than I? Or, its operator?
Eventually, he let me chat with the drill operator who explained how the rig operated, how the controls worked, how they “locate” the position of the head while it is underground, etc. “Thank you! I can leave you to your work, now…”
By contrast, when they pulled the new (below grade) electrical cables through (with a 1/2" steel cable tied to the end of a backhoe), it was fairly obvious that a broken cable could (would?) extend far beyond the guide pipe. So, while it was under tension, I was on the other side of the yard (I can see fine, from here!)
Wonderful! The airline should offer special seating to folks who welcome this! I’m sure the other passengers would appreciate as much distance (attenuation) between them and the infant!
I would seriously pay an upcharge to sit next to a dog on a flight.
Late to the party, but here are some thoughts:
As others have said, this is a hard one because of the small minority of idiot owners who don’t train their animals and have no concept of what is appropriate. “This is why we can’t have nice things” indeed.
It can be a bit of a societal expectation - thus we have examples in this thread of other countries where pets in many places is not problem. The people in these societies know the expectations, and tend to be more “rule-following” for the good of all, rather than “fuck you I’ll do what I want”
We see this even when walking our dog outside. 99% of dog owners/walkers are excellent. But that 1%… Don’t pick up after their dog, leave poop bags beside the trail, let their dog run through botanical gardens, let their dogs jump up on people, have no recall whatsoever in parks etc. etc. These are the people the rules of “no dogs allowed in here” are designed for.
It’s generally true - rules of any sort are mostly for the 1% of idiotic self-centered assholes who either are oblivious, or deliberately being dicks, and give the rest of us the authority to say to them “NO. this is not acceptable, and you are not allowed”
There are more establishments near me that allow dogs. I do enjoy going there and “showing off” our incredibly well trained border collie/heeler. I would never have taken my previous dog there (husky/hound) as she was a dog that was… not exactly untrainable, but shall we say… very willful.
Wouldn’t bother me. But this is up to the proprietor/owner.
In that case you are responsible for protecting yourself. We have bear/cougar spray that we take when we walk. Thought about taking a .45 or .357. But that’s better to just scare them off the property. I’m afraid that a firearm would scatter my dogs. And am afraid that my shot in a moment of stress might only injure the animal, and then I have a duty to follow it and put it down. Bear spray will not cause permanent damage, but should dissuade them.
Of course. But if a child or adult walks out from behind a parked van right into traffic, who’s fault is that?
I have never been in an accident.
Of course. It’s also an OSHA thing.
So my wife who is highly allergic to cats is the one that has to leave if someone comes in with a well-behaved cat? What about my mom who gets triggered by large dogs even just sitting there after being attacked as a young girl?
I have a set of very good over-the-ear headphones and I listen to a lot of metal. Hopefully they’ll protect me should that ever happen 