Well, I came unglued.

I got a well-deserved tongue lashing in this thread.

For seven years, I have worked in research as an animal care and use specialist. First, working strictly as a care provider, then moving into the labs to manage colonies and their use. I love my job, I get to work with animals, help my community and be apart of interesting topics and intellectual breakthroughs. In academics, like any field, there are less than desirable traits: politics, bureaucracy, funding troubles, personality and ego conflicts. In the past, I have been able to stay outside most of these pitfalls. If a job became more than I could cope with, I started to look for another one.

Last year, the head of the department I work for announced that he was leaving for another university. The DH basically abandoned us. Junior researchers, post-docs and grad students he had been mentoring were left to their own devices – the DH didn’t even write letters of recommendation for them. My boss is a junior researcher in this department. He’s a pediatric doctor and a researcher. As long as I worked for Dr. Boss, he has been very hands-off, leaving the research to his senior research assistant (my mentor/supervisor) and the DH.

Without the DH, my mentor and I knew that Dr. Boss would flounder – cruel but true. We started to look for work elsewhere. Mentor is from Australia and was able to find a good job back home. I’m much more limited geographically, and my job hunt was unsuccessful. Funding has been very tight throughout the U. Even when I told prospective PI’s that I would be happy with my current salary (which isn’t much), I was told that it was too expensive – grad students and undergrad student workers are cheaper. (Many labs were just going through the motions requited by the U, and not planning on replacing the techs that had left.) Then, I discovered that I was pregnant. Since job-hunting while expecting is ethically sticky, I decided to stay with Dr. Boss and see what happens.

I’ll spare you all the details. All hell broke lose and our worse case scenario happened: the U. pulled funds it had given this department and said that the department was dissolved.

I’ve been loudly miserable for months, but I’m also insecure. Part of me frets about paying bills and millions of what-if’s. What if Mouse_Spouse loses his job after I leave mine? With a baby and my lack of education, will I ever be able to work? After giving it a lot a thought, and talking it over with my husband, I decide to finally turn in my resignation last week.

Then, I got news that my boss would be in the lab – after a four month absence – and he wants to talk. First, I thought that I could stay and we would actually do some research. Then, reality hit: Dr. Boss agreed to come into the lab because another junior researcher called him at home and told him “Hey, you have a post-doc and pregnant research assistant that need to know what’s going on.” This morning, Dr. Boss did show up. Gasp! But he wasn’t going to stay as long as he originally said. “I’ve got a plane to catch. I’ll be here an hour, tops.” After scrambling to contact my post-doc co-worker and tell her to get here fucking NOW and then waiting while she and the junior researcher talked to Dr. Boss, I had my turn.

“You’re pregnant. You never completed the surgery training. I’m sorry, but you’re useless to me.” Dr. Boss said.

Before this meeting, my loved ones and the sensible people here on the Dope advised that I not burn any bridges. This wise counsel burned to ash in the heat of my anger.

“My surgery training wasn’t completed because of a lack of funds and the fact that my mentor – the Great Mouse Surgeon* - left the country. Legally, my pregnancy cannot be a factor as long as I am still able to physically do the work – which I am, by the way. Since you haven’t taken the time to be here, and act as a researcher, you have been just as useless to me.” I stormed out of his office, collected what remained of my things, and drove home.

I’ve never lost my cool like this before. Technically, next week is my last week at the lab. Maybe I’ll just stay home and burn up some sick time.
*No sarcasm. He is great and well known in this field.

Damn. I’m not usually a litigious person, but that ALMOST makes me wish you hadn’t resigned, so you could sue his ass for wrongful termination. What an asshat to mention the pregnancy! Fuck him. You’re well rid of him.

:: applause ::

Normally, I would always recommend taking the high road of good diplomacy, but he’s an idjit who needed a tongue lashing.

And seriously, why would he be such an ass if he new you were leaving? Jackass!

Stay home and use your “sick time” to wash your hands of that mess.

I would go into work. It seems most likely that he will not be there since he hasn’t been for four months and how inconvienent it was for him to show up for 1 hour. I would go in and not burn the sick time since you could use that money to help pay bills while you are looking for a new job. Even if he is there just ignore him and pretty much just keep to yourself and if he has the balls to ask you to do something just tell him you’re too busy. What’s he going to do fire you?

So, what prompted him to make that comment?

Jobs come and go, Mouse_Maven. But years from now, you’ll still be the one who stood up to “the Great Mouse Surgeon”, and while pregnant at that.

No one can ever take that away from you. Well Done.

I’d use the sick time, and inform the University HR dept. that Mr. Boss man told me I was “useless” because I was “pregnant”.

But I’ve never been afraid to stir shit up.

What a bummer it is to have a show down with the boss only to discover you are quite inconsequential to him. BTDT back in the day. Also the opposite. That was NOT a bummer.

I’d use Gorilla Glue.
Oh…wait…it’s one of those ungluings…

Hm. Use twine?

She could still file a complaint with HR over his behavior. A friend of my sisters tendered her resignation giving something like two months notice (it was a position that would be difficult to fill, so she was tryng to give the company a lot of time.)

During that month, evidence popped up that her boss was sending inappropriate emails to a colleague about her and another co-worker, both of whom were gay. She complained to her boss’s boss, an lo, was “fired” even though her final day was only two weeks away. (Which actually worked out well because she got a severance check and was able to have two weeks paid holiday before starting her new job).

But anyway, she was still able to get the company in shit for a human rights violation. In particular because it looked really bad that the day after she made a formal complaint she was escorted from the building. With her last day coming up so soon, it was pretty damning for her boss.

He was fired the following year because he was apparently still sending offenisve emails t his colleague about the remaining lesbian in the workplace.

You’ve endured all of this, you are pregnant, and all you said to him was that he was useless? I was expecting to hear that you stuffed him in an autoclave or used him to culture a virulent new strain of athlete’s head. I don’t really think this counts as too unglued. Go in again, take a bunch of stuff from the lab home in the trunk of your car, you’ll feel better.

Mouse_Maven, if you can collect for unused sick time when you terminate, you might want to go in. If the sick time is lost when you leave, be sick for the next week, you delicate pregnant creature.

My best guess: My mentor did all of Dr. Boss’ experiments, from begining to end, and designed a good many of them. Mentor had 20 years of experience as a research assistant and was perfectly happy letting boss take the credit so he could write grants. I don’t have nearly as much experience as my mentor did, so I can’t design experiments and work without guidence. (Well, I could, but I would rather get some input so I know I’m going in the right direction.)

IMHO, Dr. Boss wants someone to do “his” research while he does other things. I can’t do that, so I’m of no use to him.

The pregnancy comment, sadly not unusual in this field. A post-doc I know was once asked if she was planning on becoming pregnant by a PI. The Old Boy’s Club is still around in a way.

Dr. Boss is an asshole. When I left my first husband, I decided that it was better to risk being alone rather than know I’d be miserable. Same thing here: the risk is better than the certainty.

Ditto. Since sick time isn’t usually paid out, enjoy the jumpstart on your time off. :slight_smile:

I’m so sorry, M_M, that’s worse than I even imagined, and I thought I was being paranoid and cynical.

The killer ape in me is saying, “Nail Dr. Boss’s ass to the wall.” But then I remember the Mouseling, and I think that it’s best to put family first. For now. Once that is rolling along, [i[then* you can seek justice.

Do you have a degree in this field? In another related field?

No, no, no. I mean, right then, in the conversation. Like I might say to my boss, “Hey, Roberta, what’s shakin’?”

And she might say “Bacon!”

(This is doubtful, btw.)

So, your boss said, "You’re pregnant. You never completed the surgery training. I’m sorry, but you’re useless to me.” in response to what?

Details, woman, details!

Report him to the ethics committee. I know that this sort of remote research happens, but that doesn’t make it ethical. Expose him for the fraud he is.
And take the sick time, you don’t owe them a minute.

Report his ass Mousie. Come on. You say it’s an old boys club and it’s going to stay that way until more of us stand up for our rights. You’re pregnant so you’re useless? I don’t even intend to have kids and I’m fucking pissed.

Seconded.