Definitely run out of steam.
I’ll go with sheer hunch and vote hocow.
Definitely run out of steam.
I’ll go with sheer hunch and vote hocow.
2 - hocow - (StarvingButStrong, Pleonast)
2 - Pygmy Rugger - (Queuing, Storyteller)
1 - MonkeyMensch - (Lakai)
1 - brewha - (Fretful Porpentine)
Well I can always shave another day off the day. We can end things tomorrow morning instead of Saturday. Try to keep the game bustling along.
I did do Pygmy Rugger already you know :). Here is the posting history I did of him, Pygmy Rugger . It might make your life a little easier.
Here is the post where I recounted all the posting histories done up to that time. Recap
FWIW, I am not buying MM as town. I think Aguecheek may have thrown 1 mafia in his list. There were 3 unknowns that he claimed to have investigated. MM who came up town, Lakai who came up town and me who came up SK/Town. He, along with Brewha, went after me pretty damn hard. I think that at least suggests that I am at the very least not Mafia. He just sort of threw the Lakai investigation out there, and I don’t recall any great leaping to the defense of MM as suggested by Fretful. I will leave my vote as it is, but I would like to see MM hang next.
Hey, look at that. <sigh of relief> OK, Pygmy analysis coming up.
I have absolutely no read on MonkeyMensch. Lakai has voted for him, citing some sort of slip-up-that-might-have-been-a-mistake-but-Lakai-thinks-not, but I don’t understand exactly what it was and Lakai has not returned to clarify. On the subject of Lakai, though, and unless I am much mistaken, the Town reading we have came from the real cop, **poster formerly known as pima, ** and not from Aguecheek.
BTW - I would be in favor of shortening the day some more, but only if we stand a good chance of getting the absent posters in here by then. As it stands right now, I think half the town would get modkilled for nonparticipation if the day ended.
I will most likely vote for either hocow, Queuing, or brewha, and here’s why:
hocow: has contributed very little. This makes me think she’s scum, of some sort, trying to lay low. Perfect SK candidate.
Queuing, brewha: I think their “argument” may have been precontrived. Queuing even went so far as to carry it into the night (twice, IIRC, the second time being when I was teasing him). All the major two-player discussions in the past have been two townsfolk. The Mafia knew this, and may have agreed to stage an argument the night before. Risky? Yes. The payoff? Huge. Alternately, one of them may be the SK. If this is the case, I’d bet the other’s town.
Yeah, that, and it’s finals week. 
How about Friday evening instead? That would give the leading nominees a fairer chance to make a final appeal when the rest of us might read and think about it.
SBS’s suggestion of Friday evening might be fair?
You know what, screw it.
I am taking 12 hours off the day. It will now end on Friday at 8:30 pm pacific. That is 35 1/2 hours from now!
Oh you could be right. I was just working off of memory.
Re: MM. I did his posting history analysis. It will be linked in the recap post. When doing it I came to the conclusion that he was scum. I tried a couple of times to get him lynched but was unable to. Then the reading from the cop came, and I stopped trying to because I choose to believe all cop readings (with the exception of Aguecheek’s reading of me being SK, as I know what I am). We all know that it was a lie. Therefore my suspicions are back. I posted why I thought he was scum in my posting analysis of him, which can be found by following a few easy links.
For the first time in awhile, I agree with you on this one. Mostly because of my “dizzying intelect” (not the fact that he said that, but because it very well have been a scum cover). I’m not completely convinced, but he’s in my second tier.
I think he was just making a little joke. You and StarvingbutStrong had a little back and forth going, with a lot of if we do this and they do that and we do this, and it was another “Goblet in Front of You / Goblet in Front of Me” thing. “Truly, you have a dizzying intellect,” is the line Westley gives to Vizzini in the middle of that goblet scene.
Well, I chuckled, anyway.
I chuckled, too. 
What I meant in my previous post was referring not to the fact that he said I had a dizzying intellect, but to what 1/2 of the intellect “discovered”. Since it’s only 1/2, that doesn’t put him on my top 3, so he’s in the second tier.
All right, let’s do this Pygmy Rugger thing.
I’m not going to do the post by post thing, which was already done by Queuing, if someone wants to comb through it, here.
Here’s how I see Pygmy’s participation playing out so far:
Early on he FoS’ed and then voted for chrisk, which was not a particularly unpopular opinion at the time. Certainly wasn’t baseless. Then, once word came down that JSexton was coming to replace chrisk and the buzz started to lean in the direction of “let’s let JSexton get here and get settled in and give him a chance to talk before we lynch him,” he promptly unvoted chrisk.
OK. Nothing so bad, so far. Then, a bit later, Queuing outlines his reaons for suspecting Blaster Master. Almost immediately, Pygmy Rugger votes for BM, saying that he had been suspecting BM but, “I was waiting for a convincing, logical reason why.” Hm.
After the role claim, unvoted BM with the crowd. He waited until the wind was blowing toward Pleonast to vote in that direction, but once the crowd started moving toward Pleonast so did Pygmy.
At post #1244, he does something I really don’t understand. Queuing has been talking about who Blaster Master should kill after he (Queuing is lynched, and Zuma has said, “Let’s just get you to 10 votes and then talk about who BM should kill.” Pygmy posts, saying only, “Wow.” Then he votes for Queuing, essentially doing what zuma has asked him to do. But he also votes to vig kill zuma, implying that he thinks that her statement - calling for more votes on Queuing - was scummy. Looks to me like zuma gave Pygmy “permission,” in essence, to vote for Queuing, and a reason to vote for her, and he took the opportunity to do both.
Later in that Day, Blaster Master makes a request that someone change their vote to Gadarene, to get the countdown started. Pygmy leaps in and does this (with disclaimers that he doesn’t want to).
The next day, I made my earth-shatteringly poor analysis of pima’s behavior, pointing out what I saw as a contradiction. Lakai then came along, agreeing with me and voting for pima. Soon after, here comes Pygmy, making essentially the same observation as I and Lakai have already made.
He later waits to vote for Autolycus until just about everyone else is already on the bandwagon, finally joining once he’d have the whole town for company.
At 2806 he jumps out on his own - a standout data point for its rarity - and casts an FoS at cowgirl, but does not vote. It is only after Lakai seconds this suspicion that Pygmy votes for cowgirl, saying “I think Lakai is right, you’re just trying to find a bandwagon you can ride” (2831).
Now I may have nothing here, but this is the very definition of opportunistic voting. Pygmy has played throughout the game according to the line he used on Queuing regarding the vote for Blaster Master: “I was waiting for a convincing, logical reason why.” He lets someone else provide the reasoning or the excuse, then jumps in with his vote so he’s never out on a limb:
Queuing for the BM vote
Zuma for the Queuing vote
Blaster Master for the Gadarene vote
Lakai and Me for the pimaspinner vote
Lakai for the cowgirl vote
That’s his pattern, and it reads kind of scummy to me. Now, he was one of the first to oppose Aguecheek’s role claim, I think, which is a point in his favor. But in light of the above, I am very comfortable voting for him.
However…
I also took some time and read Queuing’s analysis of MonkeyMensch, and was surprised to find that I quite agree with Queuing. It’s by and large not what he’s said - it’s the fact that he’s said very little. There’s no there there. MonkeyMensch has kept a profile so low he can barely be seen. In his initial rebuttal to Queuing’s accusatory analysis, he claimed he was starting to get reads on one or three players - where are they? Since then he has said almost literally nothing. His only contributions have been to cast doubt on Aguecheek (and vote for him), and that chiefly because Aguecheek had draw attention to Monkey by posting suspicion of him. His other contributions have been pre-emptive strikes against any reasoning linking him with Aguecheek, jokes, and general friendly posts.
This is a player who doesn’t want to be noticed, folks. Not at all, not even a little bit.
So. I’m going to
unvote Pygmy Rugger for the moment.
I believe that of Pygmy Rugger and MonkeyMensch, at least one is scum. Possibly both. I’d like to hear their responses to these things; I will vote for one or the other by the end of the business day tomorrow, but I’d rather approach them equally for now.
And now, I shut up for a little while, and let other people talk.
Like I said earler, my biggest suspicions are with Queuing, Lakai and Pygmy Rugger - in that order. But, the only possible way my suspicions can be correct is if Queuing is the Serial Killer. I’m not saying that is impossible, but he seems too loud to be a successful SK. Maybe he’s hiding in plain sight, maybe he is just good at talking his way out of the noose. I don’t know, but he is sliding away from mafia in my mind. But, I still think he is the most likely candidate for the SK. I would expect the mafia to be going after the SK as much as we are. So, with that in mind,
Vote Pygmy Rugger
Allow me to explain my votes and vote changes one situation at a time.
Concerning chrisk, in retrospect, knowing he was the Doctor, it made him wanting to do trust lists good from his vantage point. However, we didn’t know he was the doctor, and since he had opposed them in the previous game, I placed my vote for him. When he quit, I still felt it was scummy, so didn’t immediately remove my vote. However, once it became obvious we should at least give JSexton a chance, I removed my vote.
Concerning BM, I had said several times before casting my vote that I specifically did not want to simply jump on his bandwagon. I knew there was something peculiar about his posts, but couldn’t finger it. Turns out it was because he was the Vig, so was acting different in a way that stood out. I held off my vote until I asked him several questions, and finally gave in when Queuing laid out the choices we had, in post 968
Concerning the Day Clusterfuck, that one basically boils down to two sides being drawn up. In hindsight, it seems silly that we did that at all. However, sides were determined, and I chose the side I thought displayed the most scummyness. I changed it a few times (and so did quite a few others, you’re right), but we were trying to develop a consensus. It was pretty much agreed that taking out one person from each side via lynch and Vig was the best way to garner information. Since we were also testing BM’s Vig claim, it seemed to me that if he were the Vig, and he took out an opposite side than the one we lynched, it didn’t matter in what way the two “ringleaders” (didn’t) wake up in the morning.
I voted for pima when she said something to the effect of “It didn’t contradict itself in my head,” which sounded to me like she slipped out of character.
I didn’t vote for Auto right away because the only real thing we had on him was his mob talk, which I rather enjoyed. Also, I held my vote at first because I didn’t want to start the clock, and later because there were already 20/24 votes for him, I didn’t see the point.
Concerning cowgirl, I pointed the FoS but didn’t vote because I wanted to see what others thought, first. I have rather trusted Lakai for most of the game, so when he voted where I planned on voting, I went ahead and placed my vote.
Although I may vote along with the crowd at certain points, I think that’s just as valid of a strategy as going out on a limb by yourself. I’ve noticed you’ve (story) changed your vote because you said something to the effect of not wanting to be a Ralph Nadar supporter. Well, I don’t want my vote to go to waste, either, especially if there are valid and logical arguments presented about a specific person.
Voting for the person you’re third most suspicious of? Seems like a little bit more of that “playing for yourself” strategy.
I had been suspicious of MonkeyMensch before. While looking for my original reason, I found this post. Maybe I missed the logic in this one, but why would we want Mafia protected?
Ok, I found where I started to wonder about MM. This will lead to one of his posts, which is a short exchange with Aguecheek who had called him out on inconsistency in his posts. Minor, but still. Further down the page in posts 1840 and 1841 is where I voice suspicion. I actually vote for him in post 1858.
However, Aguecheek was the one who caught the insonsistency, and their exchange wouldn’t happen if they were both on the same team (at least I don’t think so). Knowing Aguecheek was Mafia, I don’t think MM would be. Unless he’s the SK, who knows?
Bah, I am town by the way. I was one of the last people to vote for Aguecheek, so I think that would support the idea that I’m not mafia. Other than that, the only defense I have is my word that I am town.
That applies if the SK was alive near the endgame. We would want the Mafia protected because if the last Mafioso was killed, we’d all lose.
There’s probably four mafia left. I’m pretty sure that my top three are all scum (either mafia or SK). It doesn’t matter which order they die.
Playing for myself? As you just said, voting for one of my other two suspects would be “voting for Ralph Nader”. What the point in that? I’m pretty sure everyone already knows where I think Queuing’s alliegence is. And I’ve already (unsuccessfully) lead a charge against Lakai.
We can only lynch one at a time. As long as the lynchee is on my list, I don’t care which order we go.