Master Blaster, you’re right that our trust/mistrust lists does give some info to the Mafia, but it helps the Town as well. They’re like mini-versions of Rysto’s spreadsheet. And when we get killed it’ll help the remaining Citizens make better-informed decisions on who to lynch. That’s essential.
kivvik, I apologize for voting you. Just a random shot in the sky to get the ball rolling (sorry for the mixed metaphor). Notice you’re not on my mistrust list. Although, you haven’t earned my trust yet, either. All in good time.
Queuing, [post=8408430]your squirming will not help[/post]. chrisk’s “claim” was only hypothetical. No one now expects him to keep it up.
I trust: Blaster Master, Chrisk, Gadarene, Rysto, storyteller0910.
I mistrust: Aguecheek, Autolycus, Enfant Terrible, Menocchio, Queuing.
Now trusting glee. [post=8408124]Nice analysis[/post].
Mistrusting Autolycus for continuing with contentless posts. He’s not helping the Town. [post=8406246]I’m keeping my vote for Enfant Terrible for now[/post], but I’ll be happy to switch to Auto.
And Aguecheek for following Menocchio in voting sturmhauke just for surviving. 2/3rds chance he’s scum? Bad math! I agree with Rysto that [post=8406018]killing good players hurts the town more than the scum[/post]. Your later defense is unconvincing. And notice that sturm is not on my trusted list. Not enough to go on yet.
The others continue to confirm my trust/mistrust ratings.
Sheesh, the thread’s advanced a page while I was compiling this post!
because you defended the rest of your trust/distrust list, can you explain why you trust storyteller and why you do not trust me? Of course, if it’s nothing more than gut, that’s perfectly reasonable, since that’s what most of my list is.
FWIW, I think I have a beat on how much I trust most of the people and what I think their roles might be. Maybe I missed the posts, but I don’t seem to have any read on cowgirl, Kat, and nesta.
Also, for what it’s worth, I think I have keys on several pro-townie roles, I won’t say which roles and how many to minimize the information I give to the mafia, so if you are one, please be a bit more careful with your posts.
Others have expressed the same sentiments towards Chrisk as I have, including people in your trusted list.
In post # 309 and #346Blaster Master expressed the same sentiment as mine. That Chrisk continue to post his thoughts, encouraging him to do so. In post #316StoryTeller0910 also expressed a similar sentiment. While these were a while ago, I have seen no retraction of this thinking by either of these people.
Hmmm. No offense, but nNow I am slightly suspicious of Gadarene, for mistating (deliberately?) what I said. My words:
IOW, I didn’t ask people to rush out and make a post they wouldn’t have otherwise, I asked that they include their sex in a post they were otherwise making. Surely a three word sentence (e.g. “I am male”) added to a post being made for other reasons would have little to no impact on how long it takes to analyze this thread.
Eesh, this is hard to keep up with. I’m getting suspicious of Blaster Master. He is leading the charge here, but I’m not sure who’s side he is on. It would be easy to trust him since he has posted so much content, but that may seem like something a GF would do.
OTOH, if he is town, Winston Smith is the first (that I recall) showed mistrust for him. So he is either mafia or under the same impression that I am.
I’m not satisfied with MonkeyMensch’s defense of not being scum, so I still don’t trust him. I pointed the FOS at him to get is reaction. I don’t like it.
And then there’s Auto who whether he is scum or not, he is not helping the cause for the town.
Queuing, just answer the question. How did you think you’d catch someone in a lie by asking for experience. Did you honestly think that someone like MadTheCow would say “Nope, never played it before!”
Man, this game breeds paranoia. I’m looking at this thinking, “hmm…why’s he defending **Autolycus ** so much?”
Thing is, considering the fantastic flame-out…certain…people…had last game, is it any wonder the players who are playing to win are going to get fed up real quickly with those that aren’t?
True, true. On the other hand, players have asked him to bring it down a notch, and he’s refusing. He’s in danger of getting lynched because of it, and he’s refusing. That is not cooperative behavior. Doesn’t make him a mafia, sure, but it’s not helping any case for innocence. If anything, being “caught” might make him even more brazen with it because he thinks if he backs down now people will get suspicious.
I would post them more often, but I am not sure I have time. I will try to post one twice a day though until things slow down a bit.
Also a clarification since I was asked. The SK wins if they are alive at the end…and there is only one winner. So if the SK wins. everyone else loses.
If you have questions for me that you want to post in the thread try and seperate them out so I can quickly find them while scanning,or PM me also so I know there is a question to look out for. Thanks!
You know, I’m not sure at all about his motivations. If he’s just having fun, fine, but couldn’t he have fun while helping his team to win? To me, it’s like - say you get a bunch of people together and go to play pickup basketball, right? No money or league or anything, just people having fun. And you choose up teams. And the game starts. And after a while, you notice that there’s a guy, ostensibly on your team, who’s not really playing. You pass him the ball, and he lets it go by because he’s practicing his funny voices. The man he’s guarding drives to the basket, but this guy doesn’t try to defend him, because he’s imagining himself as Charles Barkley and eating a pork sandwich. Well, great, I’m glad you’re having fun, but after a while it seems like: (1) he’s definitely not helping your team; and (2) maybe he quietly wants the other team to win. But you don’t want to kick him off the team unless you’re sure he’s against you, because then you’ll have fewer players than the other team.
So I think that’s why people are getting nasty. I, for one, don’t care how the guy posts; he can be Robert DiNiro or James Caan for all I care. I just care what he posts, and so far he hasn’t posted anything of substance.
But I can’t bring myself to vote for him, because I just don’t know yet what he’s doing. Clarification would be nice.
I have answered every question thrown my way. Anytime anybody asks for a more thorough explanation if my thinking I have given it. All you have done is accuse me.
I have given my reasons for it. I said, in the very post you find suspicous, that it might not be a good idea. My wording was, after the request “Or not”, meaning maybe it wasn’t a good idea. Hell I can give you my reasons over and over again, posting more and more, I don’t mind.
Personally I have no idea if MadTheCow has played before. What I do know is that, in the last game, JSexton came right out and said “Hey I have played before, I am good at this game” then took the lead, and led the charge that resulted in a boon for the town of getting the AlphaWolf the first day. Yes most people playing this version have read the previous game. I wouldn’t count that as much experience. I never re-read that thread, I didn’t really care, I was interested but not involved.
How do I know what people will or will not do? Not everyone is good at deception. We have seen some rather suspect moves in this game (Chrisk’s idea), and a completely horrible move by a player last game. Who knows what we will find out by asking for more information, by pressuring people? You seem to think my asking questions is bad, and I don’t understand that.
Oh. Oh dear. I don’t like this post at all, and I was firmly on **Blaster Master’s ** side because he and I saw eye to eye on Enfant Terrible. This post seems to me to be designed to scream “I support the townies, everyone!” when there was little reason for him to scream it.
Holy Crap Batman! Where do I start? SK and VIG kills - I’m sure these guys have their own agendas, but I don’t think it’s a bad idea to toss out who you think they should kill in your Trust/Distrust list. I don’t have time this morning for a long post, but here is what I’m thinking right now:
Trust:Blaster Master, Fern Forest - our thinking seems to be on the same page, but they can put it into words much better than I can. Also leaving Rysto on my trust list for now.
Don’t Trust:Autolycus - now he’s getting on my nerves. I don’t want to waste a lynch vote on him. The Serial Killer can take him out for all I care. Although if he doesn’t take a dirt nap tonight, I’ll be inclined to think he is the SK, what with being crazy about continuing to annoy us with his no-content posts.
Enfant Terrible - I just think he is lying. It’s a gut feeling based on the way his posts read.
Queuing - my drinking posts in the beginning of the game during the night phase were a way to pass the time while waiting for the night votes to get in. We can’t strategize at night, so having a little lighthearted fun at the bar seemed OK at the time. I can do my drinking at home from now on. :rolleyes: This thread grows fast, so we have to give people adequate RL time to analyze and respond. There a quite a few players we haven’t heard much from yet.
Good IRL morning all. I left off at #377 and haven’t read the new posts yet. Just a couple of thoughts and then I’ll post an addendum after I’ve caught up.
I checked the other game thread and the three experienced players were all in it up to the last day or two. So it was a nice, warm, huggy multiple homicide from the killing parties for the benefit of the new players. For this I say thanks, sort of.
The SK’s gotta go. As nice as it would be in a mid to late game situation to have the SK, and by extension, the Vig knocking off mafia at night while we lynch suspects by day, it ain’t mid-game yet and the poor vig is forced to kill pretty much blindly at this point. As many as 4 player deaths per Night/Day cycle is just intolerable.
My mistrust of Blaster Master is one of several reasons why I decided against voting for Enfant Terrible. There’s just something a little overly gung-ho there, when there’s no particular reason to be quite that impassioned. It made me think Mafia trying to turn us against one another and so I couldn’t go with his endorsement.
I said I was voting for Sturmhauke until someone gave me a better reason. Well, I found a better reason.
Queuing’s post #436 (or so, I don’t recall the exact number) is a very spirited defense for someone who is still down there in the lynching polls, especially since Autolycus seems intent on sabotaging himself (I don’t personally think Autolycus is scum, btw, just not taking teh agme seriously at all). It also wasn’t very strong.
Nothing seems more suspicious to me than unnecessary defensiveness.
Unvote Sturmhauke
Vote Queuing
I don’t trust: Queuing, Sturmhauke, Madtheswine, Autolycus, Enfant Terrible, and while I don’t exactly mistrust Rysto, I think those who go out of their way to be especially helpful ought not to be immune from scrutiny.
So town can’t win unless the serial killer is dead? We need to kill the serial killer if we’re to win? Mod, if I understand this correctly, in order for town or mafia to win, the serial killer needs to be dead, right?
All in good time.