I think Zuma understands the situation all too well. He either knows that Q is town because he’s Mafia and he doesn’t want to get Vig-killed. Or, he fears, but not knows that Q is town because he is the SK and Q’s lynching means that he loses.
I’m pretty sure that Q is indeed town, but his death could be the best thing for the town at this point.
Also, I’m glad we got the time thing cleared up. I didn’t think that Q’s votes ever dropped below 10, but that seems to have been straightened out.
[QUOTE=Winston Smith]
Blaster Master, Queuing, Pleonast, Zuma and Gadarene are Mafia, and they are doing this to cofuse us!
Don’t get suckered.
I think letting Blaster Master off the hook was a big mistake, folks. I think we’re just giving him another shot at killing a townie and then he’ll shrug, make some excuse, then these five birds will argue about it for another five pages all the while drawing us out. Let’s get focused here, people.
We’re being filibustered. I can’t believe I’m the only one that sees this.
:: shaking head ::
[/QUOTE]
One of them will hang today. Blaster Master is under order to kill one of the others, and will get lynched if he doesn’t. Pleonast can be counterclaimed by a real mason*, and that will sort out at least four of the five people you mention by the close of business tomorrow.
*and SHOULD, by the way. If Pleonast isn’t a mason, one of you needs to speak today. It will not hurt us to have a single mason revealed.
[QUOTE=Winston Smith]
Blaster Master, Queuing, Pleonast, Zuma and Gadarene are Mafia, and they are doing this to cofuse us!
Don’t get suckered.
I think letting Blaster Master off the hook was a big mistake, folks. I think we’re just giving him another shot at killing a townie and then he’ll shrug, make some excuse, then these five birds will argue about it for another five pages all the while drawing us out. Let’s get focused here, people.
We’re being filibustered. I can’t believe I’m the only one that sees this.
:: shaking head ::
[/QUOTE]
I don’t see Q and Zuma on the same side. Q and Blaster Master - maybe, but we’ll find that out after the lynching.
Sorry about my sudden rush of posts, but it is my lunch break and I need to get my thoughts out there while I can.
[QUOTE=NAF1138]
Ok, you would get a PM, but I JUST posted about this sort of thing. Take a few minutes and relax everyone.
ITS A GAME
Thank you.
[/QUOTE]
Hehe, I know. I was just playing around (mostly). I am frustrated by what Zuma is doing, but I also think it was odd that you PM’d some people.
I don’t really think Zuma is an idiot. I think he is just trying to confuse the issue so we lose both Gadarene and myself, have BM claim “but I thought that is what I was suppose to do”, have a big long 20 page discussion on day 3 again about whom to kill, have the mafia confuse the issue, and kill another citizen.
I don’t want that. I don’t think any of us want another day like yesterday.
Zuma, you are smarter than you are acting right now. There’s no way you are failing to understand the Blaster plan as it’s been posted. Heck, you designed part of it.
I think you are unhappy with the direction it went. Forget Aguecheek for now, you’re dropping in townieness rapidly.
Also, vote: Queuing, just to make sure he doesn’t drop below ten.
[QUOTE=JSexton]
One of them will hang today. Blaster Master is under order to kill one of the others, and will get lynched if he doesn’t. Pleonast can be counterclaimed by a real mason*, and that will sort out at least four of the five people you mention by the close of business tomorrow.
*and SHOULD, by the way. If Pleonast isn’t a mason, one of you needs to speak today. It will not hurt us to have a single mason revealed.
[/QUOTE]
Except we have already lost 1 mason, and the counter claim will cause another to out themselves further clearing the field for you scum. The more roles you know the better it is.
Winston, that’s too out there for me to wrap my poor head around. There’s very little doubt in my mind at this point that zuma, with his seeming desperation to get confirmation on **Pleonast’s ** role claim is scum. **Gadarene ** is also triggering my Zonie-Sense, but I’m inclined to believe **Pleonast ** and **Blaster Master ** at this point…in fact, the only one here I see trying to confuse the issue is…well…you. I’m for the vig acing zuma and I suggest that next time NAF needs to talk to someone, make a general “all players please check your PMs” statement, because, yeah, it still sounded fishy.
[QUOTE=Queuing]
I don’t really think Zuma is an idiot. I think he is just trying to confuse the issue so we lose both Gadarene and myself, have BM claim “but I thought that is what I was suppose to do”, have a big long 20 page discussion on day 3 again about whom to kill, have the mafia confuse the issue, and kill another citizen.
[/QUOTE]
Yes, it’s all a game, no offense taken, Queuing. As I said, I’d love to take JSexton out, but we have to go with the town.
And Blaster M really needs to tell us who his choice is. Or we tell him. I don’t care, this needs to be taken care of. Town needs to put BM to the test.
[QUOTE=Winston Smith]
Blaster Master, Queuing, Pleonast, Zuma and Gadarene are Mafia, and they are doing this to cofuse us!
Don’t get suckered.
I think letting Blaster Master off the hook was a big mistake, folks. I think we’re just giving him another shot at killing a townie and then he’ll shrug, make some excuse, then these five birds will argue about it for another five pages all the while drawing us out. Let’s get focused here, people.
We’re being filibustered. I can’t believe I’m the only one that sees this.
:: shaking head ::
[/QUOTE]
Please… that logic makes no sense. If Queuing is scum, he’s proven at lynching, if I target either Gadarene or Zuma tonight, and they’re scum, it makes no sense for the mafia to target themselves and then essentially HAVING to do what the town says to save me. You’re completely off your rocker, and I’m convinced (and have been for some time) that you’re scum.
[QUOTE=JSexton]
Zuma, you are smarter than you are acting right now. There’s no way you are failing to understand the Blaster plan as it’s been posted. Heck, you designed part of it.
I think you are unhappy with the direction it went. Forget Aguecheek for now, you’re dropping in townieness rapidly.
Also, vote: Queuing, just to make sure he doesn’t drop below ten.
[/QUOTE]
I think the Blaster plan as proposed by Rysto is the way to go. We put his feet to the fire and get a name out of him, proposed by the town, today. Right now.
I just didn’t like some of the names proposed, but I’m willing to go with it. And quit with the faint praise, JSexton. If I could get BM to put your ass up, I’d do it.
I agree that we need to hear from Blaster Master. He need to say “I understand that I am to kill Zuma if Queuing is town or I am to kill Gadarene if Queuing is not town.”
That will leave him without wiggle room if things go awry tonight.
[QUOTE=Queuing]
Why do you keep insisting on him having a say?
Blaster Master’s only words should be:
“Yes Town”.
We do not need to discuss it.
The plan is simple.
I die. NAF reveals who I am. There are only 2 conclusions he can give: I am scum. I am town.
Lets do option A:
I am scum. Gadarene and I have been on the same page. It is reasonable to assume that Gadarene is scum. Gadarene dies at the hands of BM.
Lets do option B:
I am town. Gadarene and I have been on the same page. It is reasonable to assume that Gadarene may be town. Zuma has voted for me every day, he keeps assuming that BM gets a say in how he as a tool should be used (odd that I have never asked a hammer if it thinks hitting that nail is good), therefore Zuma dies at the hands of BM.
These 2 options will lead to further information. In option A Gadarene is Scum or Gadarene is town. In option B Zuma is scum or Zuma is town.
The end result of option A is 2 Scum dead, and potential more scum found, such as Pygmy or Pima, both who have agreed with our thinking for a while.
The end result of option B is 1 townie dead, 1 scum dead. However the trail from Zuma to other scum is easily followed, leading to Pleonast, JSexton and who knows from there.
Therefore there are only 2 options of what happens today and tonight. I die today. And Zuma or Gadarene dies tonight, depending on what NAF reveals. All other plans make no sense, and are just attempts to confuse and muddy the waters.
[/QUOTE]
What he said! 
I can’t in good concience vote Queuing. I think he is town. I don’t know about Blaster Master or Pleonast. After their claims, be they false or true, that will all shake out. I am going to change my vote one last time to a person I am almost certain from the way he’s played of late.
Unvote Pleonast
Vote zuma
[QUOTE=zuma]
Yes, it’s all a game, no offense taken, Queuing. As I said, I’d love to take JSexton out, but we have to go with the town.
And Blaster M really needs to tell us who his choice is. Or we tell him. I don’t care, this needs to be taken care of. Town needs to put BM to the test.
[/QUOTE]
OK, this one clinches it. Zuma, on the basis of this Blaster Master discussion alone, you have gone from one of the most trusted townies in my mind to one of the least trusted. You keep skipping over what everyone has said and going back to this “Blaster Master needs to tell us who his choice is,” without ever answering the people who are telling you otherwise.
This is insanely suspicious.
If we must lynch Queuing, fine. I still don’t understand exactly why we’re killing someone who I think most of us currently believe to be town, but it is what it is. My vote is squarely on the vig kill Zuma if he is town, and Vig kill Gadarene if he is scum.
I have to do an IRL meeting thing and may or may not get back to my computer before this evening; if night falls before I’m able to post again, may we all meet back here in the morning, short a bad guy or two.
Whew!
Just a reminder, if everyon BUT **Queuing ** is voting for Queuing that will end the day right then.
Just in case it happens.
I think its funny that it seems I am more believed to be town now then at any time prior. Oh well, please don’t unlynch me, and please don’t anymore of you lynch me. Even though if the countdown stops, I am still dead at noon tomorrow.
Unless of course we all really don’t like what Zuma is doing, and want to reverse the order here. Killing one of them (Zuma) for info, and then killing Gadarene or me as the result potentially.
LOL. I kid I kid, don’t do this.
I am glad no offense was taken Zuma, known was meant. This is a game, and in no way would any of the actions taken here affect my opinion of any of you. Hell we are suppose to be a lieing, conniving, murderous bunch here!
I’m gonna have to quit my job to keep up with this thread, but here goes.
Considering that Pleonast as claimed Mason and nobody has countered him, I’m going to assume he is one. Therefore, I want Blaster Master to kill zuma if Queuing is a citizen or Gadarene if Queuing is a scumbag.
Blaster Master, we need to hear that you understand this plan soon.
I’m convinced that zuma is a scumbag at this point, but I think lynching Queuing is the best course of action right now. We can deal with zuma later.
–FCOD
Can we get a name, BM?
[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom]
I’m gonna have to quit my job to keep up with this thread, but here goes.
Considering that Pleonast as claimed Mason and nobody has countered him, I’m going to assume he is one. Therefore, I want Blaster Master to kill zuma if Queuing is a citizen or Gadarene if Queuing is a scumbag.
Blaster Master, we need to hear that you understand this plan soon.
I’m convinced that zuma is a scumbag at this point, but I think lynching Queuing is the best course of action right now. We can deal with zuma later.
–FCOD
[/QUOTE]
BM must give his name before he knows Q’s role. We can suss it all out tomorrow, but BM is going into the night and giving a name not knowing what Q’s role is.
[QUOTE=zuma]
And who are we telling him to target?
Give him a name.
[/QUOTE]
ummmmmmmmmmm, zuma?
I’m not comfortable targetting Zuma, because I’m quite sure he’s town. I’m also worried about the scenario that **Queuing ** knows he’s done, so he and Gadarene pretend to agree, knowing that both are scum, and knowing I’ll target Gadarene tonight. But what if Gadarene is the GF? Then this seemingly discredits me, and I get lynched tomorrow. This is why, at this point, I would prefer to lynch Gadarene and put the conditionals on Queuing and Zuma.
However, it looks like the following plan is the concensus:
Lynch Queuing, if he is town, I target Zuma, otherwise target Gadarene.
However, before this day ends, I want to also figure out this angle: If my target fails to die, that means either I’m the SK and chose not to kill, I’m mafia and the target is mafia, or I’m the VIG and the target is the GF. In the second case, I think the solution is lynch the guy that I failed to kill, if he comes up mafia, lynch me the next day. In the third case, lynch him, if he comes up GF, I’m pretty much cleared as definitely the VIG. In the first case, I would be an SK basically conceding defeat, in which case we either lynch my target the next day, and then use that information to determine whether or not I was the SK, and then lynch me the next day. As far as I can tell, it looks like if my target tonight fails, we’d gain more information by lynching him tomorrow, and if he doesn’t exonerate me, lynch me the day after.
I’m pointing that out now, because I don’t want it to look like post hoc reasoning.