Werewolf a game Part 2 (this time with MAFIA!)

[Pleonast]

@Blaster Master

Okay, here’s my proposed plan; once we pick who I’m killing, if my kill fails, since we were highly suspecting that person as mafia anyway, we lynch that person, and if he’s anything but the GF, you can go ahead and lynch me the next day. Of course, this is all assuming the doctor, GAs, and millers don’t sabotage the town.

Sounds good to me.

[Winston_Smith]

@JSexton

One of them will hang today. Blaster Master is under order to kill one of the others, and will get lynched if he doesn’t. Pleonast can be counterclaimed by a real mason*, and that will sort out at least four of the five people you mention by the close of business tomorrow.

*and SHOULD, by the way. If Pleonast isn’t a mason, one of you needs to speak today. It will not hurt us to have a single mason revealed.

Really? We have an unconfirmed Mason claim by someone mistrusted by most of the town and you’re saying the best thing is that another Mason should out themselves to vouch for him?

:dubious:

jsexton: you are dirty. That STINKS of Mafia.

I can’t believe I fell for your BS before, man.

[Blaster_Master]

@zuma

A good place to start might be you.

Actually, on second thought, though I’m inclined to trust JSexton, as I was inclined to trust **chrisk ** before, you may be onto something, Zuma. Either way, I’m convinced Queuing is mafia, so it shouldn’t make much difference anyway, right?

[Queuing]

@zuma

OK. If I’m now a target for the BM vig kill, I’ll say this. I really hope this is the right thing to do, but with the cop dead and Pleonast claiming mason, I am a mason. Pleonast will confirm this. BM, take me off your kill list.

I was waiting for this. I don’t believe you either. However there is a slight problem now.

Say one of the real masons stands up and says “nope, you are both lieing”. How many masons does it take to prove these guys are both scum? So 2 stand up and say “nope you lie”. Or do we need 3?

How many do we need?

What would be stopping the Scum from doing this?

I would like to point out that we have not heard from very many people today. It is quite possible that we haven’t heard from any of the masons. So they may not have had a chance to even see the first claim by Pleonast.

Now we have a 2nd claim. One that Pleonast can back up. Well big whoop there.

You claimed without giving a complete chance to the real masons to stand up. Now, after playing dumb for an incredibly long time, only waiting for about a million people a million different times to tell you what you oh so magically understood all of a sudden, you claim to be mason?

I don’t what good it will be to hear from Pleonast. He will back him up, of course he will. If its true or false, Zuma is in no way that dumb. That isn’t a bad idea by Blaster Master to get the number out, but I recommend against it. Why tell the scum how many Masons there are?

This is the way I see it now.

Option A:

This is a conspiracy between scum, a well thought-out and executed plan. I see no reason for futher Mason outings. If this is what has happened then it will fall through tonight, after my death and the assassination of Zuma. Due to this being a team game, they win if the Mafia wins. They see the writing on the wall, that they will die soon so they have decided to fake claim in hopes of getting more townies to proclaim their roles. While the mafia knows who is town, they too need to know roles and whom the SK is. The more they know the easier the game becomes for them.

Option B:

The town has been ripping themselves apart. I am town, I swear it. This is a disastrous outcome for the town. All 4-6 of us have actually been on the same team, and just not trusting each other. The Mafia has been sitting back, enjoying the show, gaining more and more knowledge and power.

If its Option A, we go ahead with our plan as it is now. No more claims, lets just start the killing and get some info.

If Option B, well we still go ahead with our plan. We lose 2 more townies from our hands and one more from the Mafia. This brings it to what? A 9 person hole? With 2 masons and the Detective dead? The town is in trouble. However that still leaves us with information. Instead of looking at who has said a lot, we look at who has said little to nothing. That list is not that short either.
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Sturmhauke 10 posts
Fretful Porcupine 13 posts
StarvingbutStrong 13 posts
Smitty 13 posts
Hocow 14 posts
Kivvik 14 posts
AguaCheek 18 posts
ArizonaTeach 19 posts**

If we find out that it has been town ripping itself apart, you go after this people.

[zuma]

@Pleonast

You still need to prove yourself, Blaster. So long as at least one scum dies each night, I will continue to trust you. If not, you will be in a more difficult position.

For tonight, I think the Doc should protect Blaster. I think we should still lynch Queuing (not a vote) and Gadarene should die at night.

I’m down with this plan. I’d like to see JSexton go, and I may argue that point before too long, but I am ok with gadarene.

[Santo_Rugger]

@JSexton

What? Are you kidding me? The entire point of a masonry is to have some townies that are unlynchable. You really feel that it would be better to let them simply be lynched when they have information that clears them?

Yes, this means it’s likely that the mafia will nightkill them. So? The Mafia are going to kill townies anyway. Them coming forward stopped mislynches, which is critical.

And you’re slamming them for it? I wouldn’t mind Blaster visiting your house tonight.

I’ve never played this game before, but it was my understanding that the Masons were supposed to try and keep it to themselves. If that wasn’t the case, why don’t they just all announce, on the first day “Hey, look at us, we’re all Masons”? Then, they would be unlynchable by the town, but the Mafia would simply pick them all off, one by one. Sure, the game would start off with 1 to 1 kills, but in the endgame, when the Masons are more useful, they wouldn’t be available, and the Mafia would have the advantage.

I’m not saying that it would have been good for the Masons to die. I’m saying that now, the Mafia know who three town power roles are. That’s not very advantageous to us.

[kivvik]

@Winston Smith

Blaster Master, Queuing, Pleonast, Zuma and Gadarene are Mafia, and they are doing this to cofuse us!

Don’t get suckered.

I think letting Blaster Master off the hook was a big mistake, folks. I think we’re just giving him another shot at killing a townie and then he’ll shrug, make some excuse, then these five birds will argue about it for another five pages all the while drawing us out. Let’s get focused here, people.

We’re being filibustered. I can’t believe I’m the only one that sees this.

:: shaking head ::

Given the current situation, what are your thoughts now?

As for going for those who went after zuma, well, that’s a lot of people. Most of those on the Queuing ride went along with that choice.

I am waiting for the dust to settle and more options given, positions reviewed, etc. before voting again. On the bright side, there’s gonna be plenty of stuff to read when I get home from work since the day isn’t likely to end in the meantime

[Winston_Smith]

@ArizonaTeach

Winston, that’s too out there for me to wrap my poor head around. There’s very little doubt in my mind at this point that zuma, with his seeming desperation to get confirmation on **Pleonast’s ** role claim is scum. **Gadarene ** is also triggering my Zonie-Sense, but I’m inclined to believe **Pleonast ** and **Blaster Master ** at this point…in fact, the only one here I see trying to confuse the issue is…well…you. I’m for the vig acing zuma and I suggest that next time NAF needs to talk to someone, make a general “all players please check your PMs” statement, because, yeah, it still sounded fishy.

It’s not too much. All the noise and confusion are coming from the same place.

jsexton’s “Legitimate Businessman’s Club”

[Queuing]

Convinced you may be my friend, but wrong you are.

And we are now back to the beginning. The one side has claimed, and the other side is mafia. Sigh…

[Blaster_Master]

@Pleonast

You still need to prove yourself, Blaster. So long as at least one scum dies each night, I will continue to trust you. If not, you will be in a more difficult position.

For tonight, I think the Doc should protect Blaster. I think we should still lynch Queuing (not a vote) and Gadarene should die at night.

I agree that I’ll be in a more precarious position if a non-mafia dies, but as long as I target who we agree I should target, I don’t think it’s necessarily logical to cast doubt on me until I fail to kill the target I promised I would, hence why I proposed my plan of how to approach that.

[NAF1138]

@kivvik

Unvote Queuing

And the clock stops, but **Queuing ** is still in the lead. One more vote to start the clock again, or in 24 hours the lead vote getter is lynched.

[MonkeyMensch]

Unvote queuing. Wow.

[Winston_Smith]

@Blaster Master

Please… that logic makes no sense. If Queuing is scum, he’s proven at lynching, if I target either Gadarene or Zuma tonight, and they’re scum, it makes no sense for the mafia to target themselves and then essentially HAVING to do what the town says to save me. You’re completely off your rocker, and I’m convinced (and have been for some time) that you’re scum.

I’ve got your number, Blaster Master. You’re running scared. You think 'll cop to a brain fever or something and say “Sorry, folks. Letting Blaster Master off the hook was a great idea. Except for that poor, innocent ownie he “accidentally” killed last night”.

:: Throws hat on ground ::

No, sir. I won’t do it. You’re Mafia! Through and through. I can’t believe we let you walk. And now it looks like Q’s gonna walk, too.

[Queuing]

@Blaster Master

I agree that I’ll be in a more precarious position if a non-mafia dies, but as long as I target who we agree I should target, I don’t think it’s necessarily logical to cast doubt on me until I fail to kill the target I promised I would, hence why I proposed my plan of how to approach that.

For what it is worth, I agree with this. If BM kills who we say he should, then we can’t kill him the next day. He should only die when he fails to kill that person.

To expand a little on Option B from my post (#1404), with a controlled VIG (BM) we would be getting 2 kills/day. The Mafia 1 for sure. The SK 1. However it is in the best interest of everyone, but the SK to get the SK. I think at least.

[NAF1138]

@ArizonaTeach

and I suggest that next time NAF needs to talk to someone, make a general “all players please check your PMs” statement, because, yeah, it still sounded fishy.

Just saw this:

Let’s try to remember that I am NOT in the game folks, I am running it (or trying to, you guys are a handfull). What I do shouldn’t seem fishy, I am not playing.

Next time I will do my best to handle getting a particular players attention with a bit more grace, but me needing to talk to Zuma wasn’t a game tactic, since I AM NOT PLAYING THE GAME.

Carry on.

[Queuing]

@Winston Smith

I’ve got your number, Blaster Master. You’re running scared. You think 'll cop to a brain fever or something and say “Sorry, folks. Letting Blaster Master off the hook was a great idea. Except for that poor, innocent ownie he “accidentally” killed last night”.

:: Throws hat on ground ::

No, sir. I won’t do it. You’re Mafia! Through and through. I can’t believe we let you walk. And now it looks like Q’s gonna walk, too.

Nah, I don’t see how I make it out alive. The countdown was stopped only to give the full time allotment. Who that benefits I am not entirely sure.

We really should just go ahead as planned. Kill me, find out I am town, kill Zuma, see if he was lieing. If not, then we know whom to go after. Those who have said nothing.

[Rysto]

Just a quick thought; I don’t have time to peruse the 5 pages that have appeared in detail(I promise I’ll do that before the upcoming 12 hour countdown expires and post my thoughts).

The rule was, “if Queuing is town, BM kills zuma”. Many people seem to think that it was the Mafia pushing for the zuma kill. If that’s the case, wouldn’t have imply that Queuing is town? Why would the Mafia push for this if they knew it would never happen?

By the way, a lot of people seem to have fallen into the trap of thinking that there are two sides in this Town, and the Mafia will all be on one side or another. Don’t believe that for a second. If our Mafia have any brains at all, they’re on both sides.

[Blaster_Master]

Well, here’s my new proposed plan:

We lynch Gadarene, if he’s scum, I target Queuing, otherwise I target JSexton.

If the SK is on our side, I’d recommend he has two options, either go after one of Aguecheek, WinstonSmith, Pygmy Rugger.
Depedning on how tonight roles out, we can discuss when we want to go for the SK. I predict 50% probability the SK is hocow, 20% chance the SK is Autolycus, and 30% chance it’s someone under my radar.

[Pleonast]

@Pygmy Rugger

I’ve never played this game before, but it was my understanding that the Masons were supposed to try and keep it to themselves. If that wasn’t the case, why don’t they just all announce, on the first day “Hey, look at us, we’re all Masons”? Then, they would be unlynchable by the town, but the Mafia would simply pick them all off, one by one. Sure, the game would start off with 1 to 1 kills, but in the endgame, when the Masons are more useful, they wouldn’t be available, and the Mafia would have the advantage.

I’m not saying that it would have been good for the Masons to die. I’m saying that now, the Mafia know who three town power roles are. That’s not very advantageous to us.

The only power of a Mason is knowing who other Masons are. That is, we can vouch for one another. If we don’t do that when we’re targeted, what’s the use of being a Mason?

I claimed, because I was being set up by Queuing and Gadarene as the Vig kill. zuma claimed because he was next. Sure, now the Mafia know who we are, but the Town now has a chance of getting two kills. We’re not doing so well, and letting the Mafia trick the town into a 1:1 trade was not an acceptable result.

And because we’ve both claimed, if the Mafia kills one of us, it will confirm the other. Blaster will be protected by the Doc. So that’ll force the Mafia to kill someone they know little about. Which helps the Town.

[Winston_Smith]

@Queuing

Nah, I don’t see how I make it out alive. The countdown was stopped only to give the full time allotment. Who that benefits I am not entirely sure.

Right now, stopping the clock benefits you and you’re Mafia pals. You’ve got this town so mixed up, they don’t know which way is up. You guys are stalling. You’re confusing the townies. You’re trying to draw out the remaining town power roles. You’re playing hard, and playing smart, but you’re not fooling me.

Let’s get that clock ticking, people, or we’re all gonna get Columbian neckties.