jsgoddess, I hate to point this out, but Menocchio’s lynching and subsequent unveiling does nothing to prove you innocent. He jumped on the bandwagon started by JSexton, true, but that doesn’t mean he knew you weren’t a Werewolf. If you were lynched and revealed as a Werewolf, it looks like Menocchio can’t be one, simply because why would a Werewolf vote to lynch another Werewolf? And if you were lynched and not a Werewolf, well, so what? The townspeople always lynch some non-Werewolves, else there would be no game.
I’m not saying you are a Werewolf, just that we don’t know that you aren’t.
Seeing as I came so close to inadvertantly coming to the defense of the Alpha Wolf during the random first round, I shall now be much more discerning as to who does and does not receive my advocacy…
Thing is, it only works when people don’t know about it, and stumble into it. It’s not something I’m going to bring up again for the rest of the game, I assure you.
It’s not just a matter of what people do. It’s how and why. Do they give reasons? Do those reasons seemed legitimate, or forced? Do they line up with what that person has said previously? If not, have events transpired that explain the new position? Is that person avoiding arguments? Do they seem too defensive? Etc., etc.
It’s very subjective, and far from exact. As a player I respect once said, “the tools in mafia are blunt instruments, not scalpels.”
That said, I think the jsgoddess bandwagon still has some meat on it for us to examine.
I did a quick back of the envelope tally of votes made on the first day, and one thing stuck out. Only one person cast official votes (with unvotes in there too) for three separate people. The same person was also the first person to cast an official vote. That person is One And Only Wanderers!
Sounds like someone’s trying really hard to throw us off their scent.
Speaking of which, jsgoddess sure likes to point that finger, but she did show more restraint in the way of voting. Unless my vote counts are off, jsgoddess recieved the same amount of votes as Mennochio, just at different times and with votes being changed.
Anyone else wondering why the heck they chose Rysto?
OK. After some re-reading, I have to vote One and Only Wanderer. He followed Mennocchio onto the jsgoddess bandwagon. then voted me after I attacked Menocchio. He claims that this is his first game, but he’s slinging mafia slang like a Sicilian short oder cook. I know he said that he read up on some games, but it still feels wrong to me. I think he’s lying about that, frankly.
Finally, I think it’s extremely interesting that Rysto was the one night-killed. Rysto only made a couple posts. One was voting for Wanderer. Another was her mammoth post summarizing the events of the day, and ended with some amount of suspicion on four people - Menocchio (dead and confirmed scum), Kytheriea (replaced), me (I know to be town) Wanderer. So why was she killed? Was it because she was pressuring another scum? I think it’s a good possibility.
and on preview, I see that dnooman is thinking along the same lines. Good man.
Well, seeing that the Werewolves can also read (shocking, I know) the mafia sites, the first thing I absorbed from skimming them was the recommendation that a good townsperson is an “un-noticed” townsperson. So it would make sense if their strategy was to pick off one or two of such folks, increasing the chance that the “noticed” townspeople will cause enough confusion and paranoia to get one of themselves lynched without much effort on the part of the werewolves.
And while I’m up here being “noticeable”…what do y’all think about the fine line between lurking and being “noticeable”? When someone asks strategy-related questions that I feel I can contribute intelligently to, I’m inclined to answer. But answering can be a double-edged sword.
It’s very much appreciated.
Sincerely,
the guy you voted to lynch.
Anyway, I think we’re reading a little too much into Wanderer’s postings. Is it really surprising that someone from the SDMB did some research on a game he was interested in and wants to share what he’s learned about it? In my opinion, it’s awful early to be casting votes for the second lynching.
It’s not beyond the reach of imagination, no. But something about it rings false to me.
Strongly disagree. Votes should be flying fast and heavy. Votes are the best tool we have. Not just for killing, mind. They record people’s thoughts and suspicions. THerefore, I encourage everyone to be voting for the person they find most suspicious. You can alway change it or unvote later.
That just means that everybody is vulnerable to various accusations of jumping on the bandwagon, pointing fingers, etc. Talk a lot, yes. Vote, not as much. Mind you, we need votes, but that’s not the only way to spur discussion.
This is the same place I’m coming from. Talking is great, and it tells us a lot about what’s going on; voting this early (remember, we’ve got until next Monday) makes people defensive and leads to bandwagons. Once the bandwagons start rolling, we focus more on one or two people, and we don’t learn as much as we would from an ongoing discussion.
morning you lot
gosh, this is confusing… yes, everyone firing off votes can lead to bandwagon accusations and the like, but seeing as how successful the menocchio bandwagon was, thats maybe not a bad thing. jsexton seems to know his stuff, and while that in itself is a tad suspicious, would a wolf have been the one to first raise the alarm on the Alpha yesterday? Cookies on the other hand, just admitted nearly defending Menocchio, but is now standing up for Wanderers
To be fair, the only part left of me was a horseshoe charm. Take a lesson from that, townspeople: despite urban legends to the contrary, having a horseshoe up your ass does not make you lucky.
Egads,my honor has been besmirched! Anyway, i’m going to leave my vote where it is for the moment. Now that we have some information, I want to have a read through the thread and see what I can come up with.
At the moment though my suspicions lie with jsgoddess and Jsexton. Can’t trust those J’s, but I will be back with more meat later.
Also, I second the request to get a who’s voting for who and who’s not voting at all appended to the vote counts.
Goodbye, Rysto! You were a very interesting poster whose words I’d like to have heard. Maybe that’s why he was silenced?
This cracked me up.
Surprise, surprise, I’m not ready to vote yet. I think voting to early is what led to the “lynch jsgoddess” movement, and later consideration moved towards voting for Menocchio, which was obviously a good choice. Early bandwagoning = not necessarily a good thing. As last time, I will wait until closer to next Monday to vote. However, I must note now that I will be out of town Friday night until Sunday night, so I won’t be able to participate in the game during that time. Telling you now so no one thinks it’s a game-related tactic that I’m not involved in the last couple of days of discussion.
OK, so why was Rysto picked for eating? He posted a long, Cliff’s Notes type summary of the game, which ended with this:
Menocchio was the Alpha Wolf, so that was a good thought. **Kythereia ** seems not to be playing anymore, so I’m not sure that bit was necessarily useful, but could have been. JSexton’s idea about lynching lurkers? Personally, I liked it, and that’s how I voted. Not sure if that means JSexton is a werewolf, only that his sentiment was divisive. Maybe it was divisive because the werewolves were lurking and Rysto pointing it out was a problem?
Then we have his accusation about One and Only Wanders. Hmmm. Is it a scum tell to use lots of mafia lingo in your posts? Maybe. Is Cookies’ defense of him and Menocchio telling, or is it misplaced good-heartedness? It’s hard for me to point fingers too, I have to admit.
I think more conversation must ensue before I can parse this out. I know, big surprise.
