No he has not. There are three explicit winning conditions, yes: farmer, rancher, and werewolf. Beyond giving us the three base conditions, it tells us nothing about the possible role/role combos. Think of it this way:
Werewolves can win if they outnumber town.
Town wins if they outnumber werewolves.
a. Farmers win if they outnumber ranchers.
b. Ranchers win if they outnumber farmers.
These conditions tell us nothing about whether werewolves can be farmers/ranchers. Think of there being two independent variables:
Variable 1: Species
Value 1:Werewolf
Value 2: Townie
Variable 2: Profession
Value 1: Rancher
Value 2: Farmer
For each variable the 2 values are mutually exclusive (a rancher can’t be a farmer and a wolf can’t be town). But Species and Profession are independent of each other. If pedescribe had “explicitly stated that wolves are not separated into farmers and ranchers”, he would have said something like:
“Townies can be either ranchers or farmers. Werewolves cannot be either ranchers or farmers.”
No such statement has been made. I stand by my assessment, and my vote.
I am starting to think that all this talk about werewolf ranchers/farmers is a major distraction, almost to the point of being incompetently scummy(due to its obviousness).
I think it’s clear that only townies get rancher/farmer roles in this post:
If this isn’t the case, I find the rules poorly explained.
We should, for now, disregard the idea. If the testerizer proves to be even more complicated than we imagine, then we should consider this if it makes the testerizer make sense.
Edit: Looks like rexnervous posted the same basic idea while I was writing this.
I agree, Mahaloth. Seems to me the purpose of the testeriser is to determine a player’s win condition, though in a less than straightforward way (compared to, say, a cop). Given that, it designating werewolves as ranchers or farmers would not make logical sense – from a plain reading of the rules.
This has always been my assumption. I think test output is either
[Wolf or town] [Rancher or Farmer if town, something else if wolf]
[Wolf, rancher, farmer] [special or not]
[wolf rancher farmer] [something pretty random]
I am a little concerned about the people voting for seeker. The farmer/rancher thing is an utter non-issue. So far seeker has
1.) Expressed suspicion of Daphne
2.) Acted vaguely noobish
I’m seeing absolutely nothing here. Does someone want to make a good case against him?
FWIW, Telcontar, I think the case against Seeker is bad too. I don’t see anything toDay that’s been suspicious from him. Other than being a newbie and talking a lot (with the same tone as yesterday).
Who are you suspicious of (besides me of course?).
Some people have been pretty quiet today. The testeriser-talk seems to be drowning out any other discussion,
You and freudian slit top the list. My fear, however, is that wolves are being quiet, or are hiding their nefarious intentions behind feigned incompetence. It is really hard to disentangled bad play from evil play. I’m also worried that the game is rapidly focusing on a handful of players when it is possible that all of them are innocent.
I would love to make a better case against him, but I can’t. Because of our unanimous vote for town yesterDay there isn’t much information to go on. I think that Seeker, in acting noobish, made an obvious scum play with his smudge yesterDay. I don’t have anything else to go on.
Since we are just voting to test I am pretty comfortable with this vote, please not that I haven’t followed with a lynch vote, because we have time to change our minds is a bigger mistake is made or he comes up the same as november.
Freudian Slit (3): Daphne Black, Fluiddruid, rexnervous
Telcontar (3): Jimmy Chitwood, Allwalker, Mahaloth
Seeker of Truth and Beauty (3): Freudian Slit, Ichini Sanshigo, Seeker of Truth and Beauty
Daphne Black (1): Telcontar
Seeker of Truth and Beauty (1): Ichini Sanshigo
Freudian Slit (1): Fluiddruid
Telcontar (1): Jimmy Chitwood
It has not been publicly stated or denied. That is, they might, or they might not, but I’m not going to say publicly.
I’m a cousin of the Lemur that left town so abruptly recently, going to seek his fortune in the big city.
While I attempt to wrap my head around catching up with this game (which I have been following along, but not with the close attention it deserves), I do believe that a Testerizer deadline is impending. Am I correct?
My memory also telsl me that our Freudian lady over there has claimed to be a Rancher, while Longshanks in the middle there may or may not have. Would any of you good people happen to remember whether Telcontar has claimed to be a Rancher or a Farmer? This may inform my vote.
