You’re like the Davy Crockett of Hillary Clinton. Your dog-like loyalty to her is truly commendable.
What odds do you give her of winning the Nom at this point? 5%? 10%? 20%?
How low must the odds be before you give up on her?
In post 119, he spoke as if her victory was a certainty.
Oh, I’m sure he didn’t really mean that. Sometimes, people get carried away in their enthusiasm. I’m guilty of that as well.
ElvisLives
I figure I’d just add that this Electoral College map is not exactly written in stone.
If you have looked at it periodically, as have I, you’d notice there are times when Obama is over 300 EVs, and Clinton was losing to McCain. I notice you never trotted this map out then.
You act like the map has always been like this, but people like me know better. I don’t know why Obama does so poorly in this particular one, but I also know that he has done far better in the past. Things fluctuate obviously. And I’m sure he’ll get a boost now he’s the defacto nominee.
Let’s leave this sort of comparison of other posters out of this Forum. (And, please: no remarks from the peanut gallery that it was intended as a compliment because dogs are so faithful.)
[ /Moderating ]
And once we’re out of that bit of troublesome geography, rural voters like Obama just fine.
I’m leaving the WV thread; feel free to join me in the OR/KY thread, which is where the link goes.
Please. That was all in response to your continued assertion that a popular-vote lead means something.
I’ve provided the relevant data. You have provided nothing, just claims that the votes Obama needs would somehow apparate. And I’m speculating? 
Only by choosing to ignore all recent precedent can you say that. We do know what GOP strategies and tactics have been, and how effectively they’ve worked. It would be foolish to claim we don’t have a clue what they’ll try this time. But that’s what you just *did * say, isn’t it? 
You really do need to go read up on this Electoral College stuff. It’s a fascinating subject. I recommend it highly. The GOP strategists have, I can asssure you.
Only in the sense that the Dem candidate understood how to navigate it. The fundamentals? Not in any significant and discernble way.
The more you repeat that, the more desperate you sound to convince yourself. For the McCain message, you can be pretty sure it’s about winning in Iraq by ending the screwups, keeping taxes down, and a tinge of race-baiting. For the Dems, if it’s Obama, it certainly ought to be possible to at least hint at what his messages would be by now, since they’ve already convinced *you * so completely. So try again. :dubious:
Your (a) is ducking, and your (b) does not even follow from it. Oh, well, this is the forum for Witnessing, after all.
Finally a worthwhile point from you. I *knew * you could do it. Yes, it’s possible to scare people who have little recourse, but generally *positive * alternatives are more convincing.
Now, how about the problem of basing a campaign platform on what *you * think “they” should like instead of simply asking them? Or the attitude “they” might well see as being pandered to, i.e. condescended to? Or their skepticism about actually having those nice promises followed up upon? Shouldn’t that be what you and Obama learn from the WV renunciation, and the upcoming KY one and all the others upcoming possibly including OR?
Merk, you too can feel free to provide supporting data of your own at any time.
Gozu, can you point out *which * post of mine you’re quoting from there? :dubious: :tap tap:
I believe his point was that if Gore had won the popular vote by 1% he would have likely won.
No I’m done trying to argue with you. It’s pointless.
Come get me when it’s October and you’re supporting Obama
Elvis, all I can say is, what a pile of claptrap. You ‘rebut’ one sentence of mine, while ignoring the next sentence which effectively responds to your rebuttal, and do other similar bad-faith debating garbage.
Up until now, there’s been some sense that I was debating someone who I totally disagreed with, right down to assumptions, but at least having something vaguely resembling a good-faith debate.
Not anymore. I’ve apparently had more patience with your approach to debate than a lot of people around here have, but you’ve exhausted mine too. So the thread is all yours, AFAIAC. Enjoy wild, wonderful West Virginia.
Doesn’t follow. Perhaps you ought to look into this Electoral College stuff yourself.
Merk, RTF, you could just *say * you got nothin’. :rolleyes: But it’s okay; any reader can tell that already.
I’m a little surprised at Hillary’s stupidity. Surely, it’s pretense. She’s bound to know that popular vote doesn’t count for a hill of beans — it’s delegates that matter.
If Obama lost WV because it will not support a black candidate ,it is very significant.It shows the depth of bigotry in at least WV and indicates it may be a real problem in the general election. I do not like that Hillary got about 2./3rds of the votes. Bigotry may be a big problem.
gonzomax, can you think of *any * other reasons that might explain that result? Or any reason why WV is so extraordinarily racist in a way not reflected in other states’ primary results? Such simple answers, despite RTFirefly’s claims, are not usually adequate or even correct, not in real life.
Wrong again - it’s electoral votes that matter. :rolleyes: And obviously she *does * know that, so you of all people might want to be more careful about alleging her stupidity, hmm?
Gozu, you haven’t shown which post of mine you were quoting, but never mind - we both know you made that one up. In case you want to falsify something else in the future, please remember that I do not refer to Clinton as “HRC”.
Since Hillary Clinton isn’t going to be nominated, they don’t mean anything to her.
She’s lost. Time to accept it and move on.
Funny thing. Teams that don’t make it into the play-offs have no chance of scoring any baskets in the championship series.
And fans will argue that their team was better than some of the teams that did make it, that were better contenders to take it all. That they won more games against the teams that they would need to beat. But if you don’t win enough games you don’t advance.
It’s just not fair but that’s how it is.
Just so you know, the popular vote “victory” she’s been claiming is for the nomination, not the general election. When we’re ready to have the general election, we’ll let you know.
Not that degree. No.
WTF??
It’s certainly news to me that I claimed that WV’s electorate was more racist than that of other states. Can you refresh my recollection?
Check your interstices and penumbras. It must have been in those.