Ooops. I did.
They’re relying too much on teasers. In Season 1, we didn’t know what we didn’t know so the handful of reveals were impactful. In season 2 they’ve tipped their hand too much. We know something is going on in Glory, something with the guests DNA, and what ultimate point of the park is. Now we are waiting to find out how all those pieces fit.
Yes. Somehow they’ve managed to take an interesting show, with interesting characters, and turn it into a mess, with 2, possibly 3 characters that have any worth at all. I’m even starting to care more about the MiB that Dolores, Og help me.
Maybe they need to stop jumping around with the timelines, since they’ve done that, and spend some time actually establishing a story that we’re interested in, before they go all mind-fuckery.
Well the speculation that Grace is William’s daughter turned out to be true.
Really cool episode with Bernard dealing with his memories and a reveal at what Delos was attempting to do. Though, who knows, Ford may have figured out what William could not. That last consciousness that Bernard takes from the lab. That has to be Ford, right? So Ford can resurrect himself in a new body?
And it really did seem the view of the new code in Abernathy (the globe one) was very similar to the view of the code in Jim Delos. And Abernathy reacts a similar way when confronted with reality - wonder if that’s the “other way” William describes when he meets 149th Delos.
I’m glad Elsie is still alive. That of course leads to more questions. Why did Bernard choose to save her? Is some unseen hand still controlling the park? Is that same hand controlling zombie Clementine? Or maybe it’s Bernard himself who programmed zombie Clementine, in anticipation of these events.
It looks like the Ghost Nation are saving guests. So who programmed them, maybe Elsie & Bernard?
In Season 1, Elsie (was it Elsie?) discovers that someone has been re-programming the hosts using the “Arnold” login. Was that all Ford’s handiwork, or is it more complicated than that (e.g., the hosts re-programming themselves according to Arnold’s “bicameral mind” schema)?
Also, when Bernard retrieves the list of hosts originally created by Arnold, which includes Dolores and Ford’s family, what other hosts were on the list?
Elsie sure didn’t act like someone who was just assaulted by her boss, tied up in a cave for a few days, released by her boss, discovers her boss is a host, not a human, and taken to a secret lab littered with slaughtered people and strange ‘drone’ hosts now, does she?
I just couldn’t see her actions in last night’s episode as anything a rational person would do. Or even an irrational one. Weird.
I was more engaged in ep 3 than the previous ones, though.
Nice family reunion at the end, to be sure.
I think the revelation that James Delos’s consciousness was transpanted into a host body explains all of the trouble and expense the company went through to build the park. I think the “brains” in the hosts need to develop enough complexity to support a real human consciousness, so perhaps the park was meant to give them enough experience to do so. And of course if they can actually transplant a human consciousness to an artificial body, that would be worth any amount of money. (Although in reality, if you were James Delos and were going to be put in a new body, wouldn’t you want a youthful one, rather that one that looked exactly like the old version of you?)
infantry combat in TV shows is always like this. It’s always people standing up and blasting away at one another and it never makes any sense on any level; for one thing, not nearly enough people were being killed on either side in the first phase of the combat.
Screen combat is almost always people shooting at each other from short range. Real combat is generally nothing like that; it is dominated by indirect fire and even when infantry is engaged, in a relatively wide open situation like we say in Episode 3, engagement would be at great distance, 300-400 meters. The Confederados are in plain sight in a very small area; the logical thing to do is simply to lob in artillery or rocket fire. If you can’t risk blowing up Peter Abernathy, long range rifle and heavy weapons fire at the front of the fort will do nicely. We could tear apart 100 other TV combat scenes if we wanted.
The thing is, though, that presenting combat realistically would present the viewer with a very confusing thing to try to follow. The screenplay wants to convey clear story points. In the fort battle you need to know
- The Delos goons are attacking and they outun the Confederados,
- and they’re sneaking in to grab Mr. Abernathy,
- They defeat the troops outside the gate, which can’t get back in and are (rather inexplicably) murdered,
- Then they get blown up.
A realistic depiction of combat would mean you’re switching back and forth between people who can barely see each other. From the fort’s perspective, if the Delos goons attacked logically, suddenly hosts would start dropping like flies as bullets zipped around. You wouldn’t really understand what the hell was happening and it would be difficult to come up with a way for he hosts could win that battle. So yeah - it was a dumb scene, but it didn’t have to be much smarter.
Realistic combat scenes certainly have been done; everyone will cite Saving Private Ryan of course, but a really surprisingly good example was in “Forrest Gump” where Forrest’s platoon stumbles into a meeting engagement. One minute everything is fine and the next there’s bullets and explosions and everything goes to shit and they run away. The two sides never see each other all that well and heavy weapons do more damage than small arms. In that case however, there is no detailed battle narrative required; the purpose of the scene is to convey that the battle IS terrifying, confusing, and has dreadful cost. The confusion is the point.
I bet the idea was that he’d go through the transfer and continue his life without anyone noticing. That’s why he seems disappointed each time he says “I didn’t survive the procedure?”
I was expecting something like “yeah, your brain is stable now. Of course, James Delos has been legally dead for years. You are a machine, and I own you. So I’ll visit every once in a while to ask you for strategic advice, and, if you’re VERY helpful, bring you photos and updates about your family members” or something along those lines. But I thought that whole story-line was fascinating and well done.
From the moment she spoke Lakota it was pretty obvious that she had to be his daughter.
I’m thinking that Maeve is the only host that actually has free will at this point. If her.
And the Lakotas are going to be increasingly shown as much more than savages.
If there is a twist this time it may be that there is another level going on that dead Arnold is behind more than dead Ford.
Beware the obvious.
I mean…if you can’t tell, does it matter?
Or the ‘marble’ could be Arnold.
I’ve been assuming that Ford put himself in Dolores’ body; maybe because Anthony Hopkins gave such a ‘ruthless SOB’ performance. But I guess we shall see.
The writers seem to be playing fast and loose with the ‘transfer a human mind into an artificial mechanism’ concept. It reminds me of the way most ‘outer space’-set science fiction just hand-waves away both “artificial gravity” and “faster than light travel”: they are such major accomplishments that if they really happened, almost everything would be changed. But instead what we get is a ‘future’ that’s not organized particularly differently than is the present–just with the addition of magical technology.
So with “Westworld,” apparently: we have the magical tech of indistinguishable-from-humans robots and transfer of minds—and yet everything is pretty much the same as in our no-magic current reality. Bored rich people going to theme parks and fighting corporate power struggles. Oooooooooooo-kay.
I think people are getting wrong who sent Bernard to kill those techs and get the marble.
I believe Charlotte and her cabal will discover the truth about Bernard and send him in there to kill the techs and get the sphere. Hence everyone looking at him so funny and trying to figure out what he did with the sphere.
Is this ep the first proof we are actually on Earth? I know that sounds dumb but i leave open all possibilities for twists.
In the first episode of the season, the Chinese military offered their assistance, which was rejected by Floki*. Make of that what you will.
- The tall and skinny security dude, who is played by the same actor who played Floki in Vikings. I don’t know his name, so “Floki” it is.
Do we know that Elsie is really Elsie and not an Elsie-bot? For what purpose, I have no idea, but as it seems the most convoluted and least believable thing, it might be true.
I hope she sticks around, even if I want to call her Sabriner.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious he expected to go fight back to living his old life, right down to fucking his old wife. I wonder William waited until he finally told everyone the old man was dead. I’m guessing not very long. 
The park was started in the 2020s and the ruins of the experimental facilities are still there. It’s on an (very large) island in the Pacific controlled by the Chinese.
Her behavior is very, very strange. Either Elise is a Host, has mental problems, or it’s bad writing.
Actually, one recap about this episode said the bit with James Delos playing the Rolling Stones record in that odd room was reminiscent of the first episode of the second season of Lost.