Bill, you are wanted in the Pit.
:mad:
Again?
Esprix
Sorry if this point has already been raised, I don’t have time to read the whole thread.
andros. The ‘wipe yer ass with the bible’ analogy is flawed. WB isn’t suggesting desecrating the koran or anything that is held sacred by the whole of the islamic community, just doing something that revulses the terrorists. A better analogy would be
"Suppose, for a moment, that a self-proclaimed Christian terrorist was caught after bombing, say, a hospital.
Suppose that we decided that Christian whackos needed to eb taught a lesson.
So before we executed this terrorist, we made him Sell his soul to Satan?
Hey, he’s a nut, right? It shoudln’t piss you off."
That is more on par with what WB is suggesting and frankly if some scumbag blows up a hospital hell’s exactly where he deserves to go.
Hey, how many Pit threads have YOU made about him? Why should you have all the fun, 'Sprix?
Well, an awful lot of evangelical fundamentalists think that abortion bombers are heroes. Evidently a lot of militant Muslims believe that the WTC terrorists are freedom fighters.
Are either of the above accrediting organizations? No.
Is the American Medical Association an accrediting organization? Yes.
Of course I don’t know you. Hence I am perfectly willing to accept that my judgment is spectacularly wrong. I am drawing my conclusions based on the evidence available to me.
I am not calling myself a Christian. Surprise, I’m not a Christian. By any stretch of the imagination.
Nor did I argue that abortion is “peachy ok.”
“What do you like terrorist” has me ratjer confused, Wildest Bill. Would you mind stating your position in a less elliptical way?
And whom are you suggesting that a pinko liberal like myself would give government housing to? I am having trouble following your analysis.
I have no idea why abortion bombers do it. People in the buildings are innocent.
Or are they?
Aren’t individuals who are willing to work in abortion clinics tacitly condoning the morally outrageous activities that take place therein?
Aren’t people who work in the WTC at least tacitly condoning the machinery of international capitalism that fuels US support for Israel and the subjugation of Arabic-speakers and Muslims worldwide?
How is the classification of the target affected by the classification of the weapon?
Yes, we know you don’t agree with them, Wildest Bill, and believe me, we are all very proud of you.
But you are ignoring the question.
What do we do with them?
Should the government try to prevent murder? Am I being unclear?
What if I were to prove to you that every abortion bomber identified himself as a fundamentalist Christian?
Are criminals so protected by the Constitution that the government cannot take away their libery and property rights? So you disagree with prison sentences then? How about capital punishment?
Aren’t we also at war with domestic terrorism? Perhaps you recall the destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Or are we more tolerant of Americans who seek to destroy this country from within?
Wildest Bill, your arguments are tendentious. The logic that upholds your separation of abortion bombers and Middle Eastern terrorists is very brittle. I would ask you to rethink your premises before replying.
MR
::muttering darkly why the hell are you even trying::
OK. You are (IMHO) justifiably outraged at the WTC bombings. But can see some justification for the abortion doctors and clinics being targeted, and don’t see that as a contradiction?
::banging head against computer::
I feel like that dog in the cartoon “Mice don’t want cheese…Mice want cat to eat them…Cat doesn’t want to eat mice…Cat wants Dog to murtalize him… (adding machine noises) - it just don’t add up!”
The contradiction in your position is that in both cases (abortionists being targeted and the WTC), there are great quantities of people who believe that the folks targeted are completely innocent human beings with rights to live and prosper. Seeing the justification for one, you should also ‘see’ the justification for the other.
You’ve been around here long enough to understand that not everyone in this country even believes that abortion is wrong.
Now, back to your original gig. (and yet another contradiction). Your point is (apparently) that you wish to tailor the punishment for the terrorists in accordance with deeply religiously (to those targeted) offensive methods, and fail to understand how using religiously offensive methods to get your point across can effect more than the targeted audience. Think of it this way:
The terrorists are mosquitoes in your back yard (we know how much you like them). Bring out the cannon to deal with them. What, it’ll make big holes in your yard and maybe do damage to things other than the skeeters? You got it.
You don’t even wish to hear the name of your God taken in vain, so I can only imagine how you would feel to see/hear about your religious symbols desecrated and/or used as a method of punishment. Can you not see the irony? (and the most ironic, one of the ‘reasons’ I’d heard {IOW no cite} for Bin Laden’s hatred of the US was something about the desecration of Saudi Soil by American troops. Yep, I can see how further descration of their religious views would really help the situation)>
Since when was pigs blood an islamic religious symbol?
Gomez,
Exactly. It’s not. They just don’t like it. Also if they are indeed peaceful Muslims they should understand that we are doing that to the terrorist to stop them. We don’t want to put pig’s blood on anybody but we do want them to stop bombing and killing US citizens.
Wring and Meaglin I will answer ya’ll on Monday. IT’S THE WEEKEND! Yee Haw!!! 
we may be using a ‘loose’ interpretation of religious symbol. There is apparently a religious significance to the pig in Islam. So, while being splashed with animal blood wouldn’t be a pleasant thing for most folk, for some one of the Islamic faith, the fact that it was pigs blood would have immortal consequences. Bill is attempting to design a punishment that he feels would not only effect their life and liberty, but what they percieve as their soul.
Bill,
Is English your native language? I ask this because damn near nothing you’ve posted in this thread even approaches the standard usage of said language. In short: you don’t make any sense here.
Who knows this is not actually happening? Pouring pigs blood on the terrorists and then sending them to their buddies would not be the stuff they would want to make public. Doing so may actually hinder the cause. This would be a classified project. Not to be revealed until well after its time.
Another “legend,” back in the 80’s, told of a terrorist threat to Russians, which the KGB responded by cutting of the testicals of another terrorist, family member, or friend, and sending them to the terrorists.
Wildest Bill:
Really? I thought you were Christian.
What about making abortion clinic bombers or IRA terrorists carry out a black mass and pledge allegiance to Satan? WB, would you be willing to support that?
-Ben
Maybe simply threatening to excommunicate the IRA members would do the trick. Or has that been tried?
serack, I’m not defending Wildest Bill, but are you saying that in order to be a Christian one has to embrace Islam?
Can you explain this to me? I really don’t understand this. If you’re going to discuss what “we” are talking about, why don’t you bother actually looking at what other people are saying? It is obvious that andros wasn’t talking about radical Muslims. Or are you now talking about yourself in the plural?
BTW, my understanding of pig blood is that it desecrates the body, not the religion. It is an offense against the person, not God. If someone else believes differently, I would like to see a cite. The best analogy I can come up with is the medieval practice of cremating bodies in the belief that it would prevent people from going to heaven. Note that this was done by Christians to Christians, so it was obviously not thought to be an offense against God.
Brilliant idea. Before you send an e-mail to Rumsfeld, you may want to read up on the Sepoy Rebellion:
http://encarta.msn.com/index/conciseindex/68/06839000.htm?z=1&pg=2&br=1
Based upon a rumor that cartridges were greased with beef and pork fat, the British had to contend with enraged Muslims and Hindus who believed that they would be defiled by use of the cartridges.
So, no, they wouldn’t lay down and surrender – they’d all get pissed and attack.
Maeglin and wring, I asked Bill the same question (more or less) in Guin’s pit thread. Not holding my breath waiting for a reply …
BTW…
Yup. But since (a) the IRA aren’t fighting for a religion and (b) many of its members aren’t particularly religious anyway, it hasn’t made the slightest difference.
BWaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ::gasping for breath::
Now you tell me!
I’m saying Islam and Christianity are almost the same religion. Even Islamic fundamentalists agree with that.
It’s certainly true that Moses, Jesus, and Mary all appear in the Qur’an. I’ve been told by muslims that they consider Jesus the second holiest person in the Qur’an after Mohammed. But I serously doubt Islamic fundamentalists consider Xtianity and Islam to be almost the same religion, any more than Christian fundamentalists consider Judaism and Christianity to be almost the same religion.