Take it easy Lemur866, I was just throwing in some humor.
A very old Robin Williams line that just gets more appropriate with each new drug that comes along:
Methamphetamine can be chemically converted to a base form that can be smoked. This is what is commonly called ice. It is the nastiest form of meth. The original form breaks down under heat, and cannot be smoked.
“Rare side effects?” Can you please point to some source to back up your claim that side effects are rare, because I find that very hard to believe.
No problem, some side effects are Paranoia, Mood disturbances, Hallucinations , Dependence and addiction psychosis , Stroke, Repetitive motor activity, and Weight loss. I meant rare as though you don’t use it alot so you’re alot less likely to get these side effects after some use, such as other drugs. These side effects are long term and nothing that you’ll get the next morning. One immediate risk is rising tempratures which lead to convulsions and/or death. There are side effects like these in every drug. If you don’t believe me try finding a guy who got a stroke immediatley after using this drug. If you want to know short-term effects then you have Increased activity, Decreased appetite, Increased attention, Hypothermia, and Increased breathing, but then again drugs such as Viagra and Prozac always have side effects such as heart attacks and the occasional blood urination but it’s rare which is all I meant.
You can’t just O.D. on meth, eman? Most lethal drugs can kill you no matter how often you use them- heroin, coke, etc.
I couldn’t find anyone having a stroke, but someone else found four, described in the following abstract:
Journal of Emergency Medicine 1999 May-Jun;17(3):469-71
Methamphetamine-related stroke: four cases.
Perez JA Jr, Arsura EL, Strategos S.
Department of Medicine, Kern Medical Center, University of California, Los Angeles, School of Medicine, Bakersfield 93305, USA.
Amphetamine use in certain parts of the United States has risen dramatically. Methamphetamine, the most-common illicitly abused type of amphetamine, can be inhaled, injected intravenously, or smoked. It is a potent sympathomimetic that may lead to vascular events including myocardial infarction and stroke. Because of the demographics of drug use, these potentially devastating events usually occur in relatively young patients. The pathophysiology of stroke related to amphetamine use is multifactorial. Elevation in blood pressure, vasculitis, or other vascular toxicity are postulated as major mechanisms. **Four cases of stroke associated with the use of methamphetamine, all occurring in patients ranging in age from 29-45 years, are described. **Methamphetamine use appears to be a risk factor for the development of stroke. The rise in methamphetamine use will undoubtedly result in increased Emergency Department admissions with clinical presentations very similar to those of cocaine intoxication.
Whoops. Seven more.
Eur Neurol 1994;34(1):16-22
Stroke associated with methamphetamine inhalation.
Yen DJ, Wang SJ, Ju TH, Chen CC, Liao KK, Fuh JL, Hu HH.
Neurological Institute, Veterans General Hospital-Taipei, Taiwan, ROC.
Seven patients (all men, mean age 32 years, range 17-47) with stroke following methamphetamine inhalation were collected during the last 2 years. Like oral or intravenous abusers, our patients had more hemorrhagic (n = 5) than ischemic strokes (n = 2). Cases of intracerebral hemorrhage (ICH) were lobar (n = 3), caudate (n = 1) or putaminal (n = 1), whereas the infarctions were both in the middle cerebral artery region. Each stroke event occurred within 3 days after drug use. Three patients had hypertension on admission. Though young in age, most patients had multiple stroke risk factors. In 3 patients with ICH, we also found small, low attenuated lesions on the brain computed tomography, however, without clinical correlations. Except for arteriovenous malformation in 1 patient, all angiograms failed to show vasculopathy or vasospasm. Contrary to what one might surmise from previously published reports, methamphetamine inhalation is at least as likely to produce ICH as it is to produce brain infarction.
<b>eman77</b>, the drug I am referring to is a clear looking crystal type stuff, which I believe the people I know are snorting. They also call it “shards” and “glass” where I live, but it’s just another word for ice I believe. I hope that helps with your book. I’m pretty sure it’s crystal meth, because the dealer they bought it from said something about it. Either that or they’ve been cheated, which is unlikely. I had a friend do this stuff, and he was awake for 3 days. It freaked him out quite a bit, and he hasn’t done it since. As for me, I’m firmly anti-drug, just so you guys know I’m not compiling this info for quality tests or anything like that. Thanks again for all the help, it’s all very welcome.
Crap, html wasn’t set to on or whatever. Oh well.
Well again these are rare cases. I’m sure there have been more than 7 people using Crystal Meth in the past 2 years. And yes Splankey you can die using Crystal Meth but it’s alot less likely if you only use it a couple times. I’m not promoting it in anyway nor am I saying it’s good for you all I’m saying is that side effects are fairly rare. Considering the number of people using drugs there are going to be fatalities due to accidents or medical conditions.
I haven’t read the whole thread or the links. A friend of mine has a sister. I remember when she use to be hot. I mean, if I had been a little older…
Anyway, I saw her a couple of years ago. I think she was 48 at the time, but addiction to methamphetemines had done a job of work on her. She looked like she was 65. Her teeth had fallen out. She had a vacant stare. I heard that she was homeless for a while and when she did find a place to stay she packed it with junk she picked up out of rubbish bins.
So if your “friends” want to lose all of their teeth and accelelrate their aging and end up in the gutter, I’m guessing that meth is a good way to achieve that goal.
I agree that you’re probably not going to drop dead from one hit. The main risk from that first hit isn’t that you’ll drop dead, it’s that you’ll like the drug so much you’ll give up everything else in your life for the drug. And I’ve never seen a regular user who didn’t have severe, life threatening side effects.
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** Got it.**
Just after highschool, a good friend of mine became addicted to what he referred to as “Crank”. Over a period of a year he became extremely paranoid. He was certain “they” were out to get him. He became violent and threatened to kill me on two different occasions. He was arrested both times.
After the second time, his mother sold their house and she moved them away to the small town where her family lived.
He also influenced others in our circle to do it with him. I removed myself from that circle altogether. It is a very ugly downward spiral.
Well oldman_withers if you’re referring to Ice or Glass then you’re surely referring to Crystal Meth. While glass could also be Amphetamine or a slang for a hypodermic needle it’s also Methamphetamine which fits with Ice and BTW thanks for telling me about shards that sounds like a new one.
Thanks, Skillet38. I’d forgotten about the humpin’. Both sexes will go after anything that’s kinda warm. Penetration, however slight, is not required.
For a while, anyway. Then all there is, is the rig. Penetration required.
Johnny L.A’s friend’s sister is not a rare side-effect.
And nobody’s even mentioned adulterants yet.
What was the question? 
Well, i’ll skip all of the government , anti drug hullabaloo and give you some real life stories of what that poison does/ has done to me and people i know.
For me physically:
– I was addicted for 2 years and withered down to as low as 165 lbs on a 6’ 4’’ frame ( i weigh 240 now but my weight should be ~225 ideally) .My ribs started to show before i even noticed any weight loss.
– It has caused me to collapse (become sudeenly unconscious and unresponsive to outside stimuli )without warning on 7 occasions that i can recall. It has also caused stomach bleeding or ulcers for two weeks when i came off of it.
Psychologically:
–Chunks of my memory have been erased; Months worth of my life as well as people I have known.It makes me come across as senile at times even though i’m only 22.
– I delveloped too many irrational tendancies to name, but enough to gain the reputation of being one crazy motherfucker. Eventually, I developed meth induced OCD and that led to the end of my addiction. I couldn’t go out and score drugs because i’d be tracing the ground with my fingers for eight to ten hours without being able to leave the room i was in. I couldn’t take it anymore. ( a good description of this OCD manifestation could be found in Orson Scott Card’s ‘Xenocide’) . I probably have liver and kidney damage , but all and all, i got out lucky. The nightmare ended shortly after cessation.
—despite all of these effects, If i come across somebody on it or i can smell it on them, I’ll crave it so bad my palms and feet will begin to sweat and i’ll get goosebumps and shivers. I am probably not the average case. Here’s a few anecdotes of my formerly tweeker buddies.
My best friend who introduced me to it:
She’s going to college now and holds down a job at the local diner. She gave the stuff up after the side effects became obvious to her employers and family. We are still good friends tho we live 1800 miles apart.
Former Roomate:
She dropped the habit after a few months of casual use and at times heavy use . to her it didn’t seem anymore addictive than pancakes or foosball.
Her brother:
He has a 60 dollar a day habit and has been to rehab three times
Former co-worker:
He fell into a conspiracy theory mindtrap that is actually quite hilarious if you’d have the chance to hear it. I don’t know what happened to him.
My former tweek dealer: All he did was sell it for three years and is now retired for life from the money. He never did use meth.
That dealer’s best customer?:
It totally wrecked her life and she’s still picking up the pieces after a year of not using it. her highght that i can recall was that week she got the second mortgage on her house and spent 16,000 dollars on tweek and video poker…IN ONE WEEK!
So that is a good cross section of what i have seen Crystal Meth do with my own two eyes. I don’t need DEA propaganda to be scared away from the shit. Don’t get me wrong I still love to get my buzz on…I just stick to good italian wine in the evenings and high grade oregon pot three times a day.
Peace
Mangomerlot, I’m sorry man. Seriously, but I’m sure smoking pot isn’t going to help with that memory loss thing. Just a suggestion. Anyway, hope things work out for you in the long run.
Actually Meth HCl can be smoked, unlike most other drugs which
need to be freebased first.
Well, nothing except contextual encounters is going to ‘‘help with that memory loss thing.’’ The loss of memory extends for whole seasons- i.e. I don’t know what i did in the winter and spring of 2000. All i know is the side of town I was staying on. Pot doesn’t ERASE parts of my memory after use, it has only made it fuzzy while being stoned. Comparing the effects of the two drugs is like comparing the effects of kittens and tigers IMO.