Every thread that tangentially involves guns eventually hijcaked into an argument about whether or not guns are good or bad for society.
So given the current situation, is there any chance that we can repeal the second amendment enough to get rid of guns (or at least handguns) in society in the foreseeable future?
If we do repeal the second amendment and entirely ban guns will this lead to a net reduction of gun crime?
Would it lead to a significant reduction of suicide?
there is no fucking way in hell we will repeal the second amendment in the foreseeable future. in fact I suspect that we will soon see “leaked” photos of Democratic candidates going duck hunting, etc.
banning guns (after this hypothetical repeal of the second amendment) will not lead to a net reduction of gun crime.
banning guns would not lead to a significant reduction of suicides.
I doubt anyone is going to argue on point 1 but maybe there is something I am missing.
I suspect a lot of people are going to argue about (a) how much gun crime is committed by previously law abiding citizens, (b) defensive gun use, © the effects of a gun ban on the people that commit gun crimes.
I used to think the suicide argument was the strongest for the gun control crowd until I took a look at US suicides and suicides in EU and NATO countries (gun control advocates always dismiss suicide rates in Asian countries because they don’t count for some reason) and it turns out that US suicide rates are very typical for industrialized nations despite the fact that we have a gazillion more guns per capita than any of these other countries. Its almost as if there were other ways of committing suicide.
No matter where we come out, I don’t think the facts support a position that guns are clearly so horrible for society that no reasonable person could support national gun rights. And given the existing prevalence of guns (especially among criminal) I don’t think the facts support passing laws that would only disarm the law abiding citizens of America.