What are UFOs if they're NOT alien spacecraft?

When I don’t know yet, my default is “I don’t know yet”.

sloppy grammar on my part, obviously. (but not as sloppy as my logic, right, guys?!)

No, not sloppy grammar. You’ve now adopted a burden of proof for “many things, including UFOs” under a banner of “paranormal phenomena”.
I look forward to you providing even a single piece of evidence for anything that can honestly be called “paranormal phenomena”.

Using unicorns to explain the existence of Sasquatch is a bad idea, generally.

You know, I honestly don’t know what you’re arguing. Could you please summarize?

It’s possible I’ll sympathize once I know what you’re saying.

I think Crypto is saying we have a shared dream collective that includes all things paranormal, which covers UFOs, ghosts, fairies, Bigfoot, chupacabras, etc.

Please let’s not drag Jung into this. We’re already up to our necks in woo. That would take to the hairline.

Wait a tick, are you suggesting that what he experienced was a waking dream? Because that is not what Walton declared, in any case the lack of evidence and what serious investigations looked at, point at his and other testimonials (from his buddies) as a hoax.

Here’s a very good blow-by-blow analysis of the Travis Walton case by Three-Dolla- Kit, which seems to demonstrate conclusively that it was all a hoax.

That is very presumptuous because it indicates how we truly cannot encompass how vast interstellar space is. TV signals have been reaching beyond our solar system for about 75 years, which means they have travelled 75 light years. That is nothing in terms of distance. Unless another advanced civilization is sitting literally on our galactic doorstep, there is no way any alien civilization can know we even exist. In a galaxy of, give or take, 100,000,000,000 suns, it would be the wildest chance that an alien civilization can discover us. If they somehow have, they are probably appalled at how barbaric we truly are and, wisely, are keeping their distance.

Hehe, I like to not think of Jung as woo. I prefer to think the similarities he found in our subconscious as basically a side effect of humanity running on a bunch of variations of the same hardware.

you misunderstand what I mean to say. I mean that, to use your example, unicorns and Sasquatch belong to the same class of creature.

good. I appreciate an informative link, one way or another. the big proof for Travis Walton, for me, comes down to this.

Non-existent A belongs to the same group as non-existent B.
Got it.

And yet again I ask: Are any of your non-evidenced suppositions falsifiable?

What puzzles me is UFO enthusiasts concentrating on sightings instead of interviewing folk who have been abducted and can actually describe aliens and their craft…

Possibly because such testimony is far more doubtful?

Of course there’s literally no physical evidence for either.
Nevertheless a sighting has way less detail than an abduction.
Why don’t folk who claim sightings are ‘relevant’ concentrate on abductions instead?!

Back when I cared about UFO s I had a theory that involved multiple dimensions. When we sighted a UFO it was because the craft had entered our time-space dimension and then retreated back into it.

I never could explain how multiple dimensions can exist in the same physical space, and so i dropped the whole idea.

not all entity encounters involve abductions. most don’t, I think. with that said, the reasoning goes that while normies would find it tough to accept the reality of UFOs that they would find it tougher to accept entity encounters. entity encounters also have less hard proof, whereas UFOs have photographic and video proof.

the stereotypical entity abduction encounter also, at least during the 19’90s, involved hypnotic retrogression, which I think messed up things.