The thread asking for evidence from those(NOT just Christians) who already claim to have such evidence was a direct response to your claim that you had such evidence.
Once again-YOU made the claim that caused the thread to happen in the first place. If you don’t like people to ask you to back up your claims, well…tough.
GEEPERS, if you want us to accept your word as evidence that your deity exists, then would you accept the word of those of other religions as evidence that their deity exists?
Sure the rest of us are trying to trick you. Nefariously. Do you see anything off about coming into a thread covering dozens of different atheists all offering up their own words, and then claiming that because we don’t match your bigoted claims about atheists then we must be lying? That behavior is to regular ol’ cognitive dissonance as atom bombs are to sparklers. I suspect that those who ask you to provide proof are simply pointing out to you that you can’t and that everything you can use as ‘proof’ is the exact same set of things which are used to support competing religions which you reject out of hand even while using their supposed ‘similarities’ to try to argue for why only your religion is true. Religion is supported on faith not proof, and attempting to justify yourself with proof instead of relying on faith is a losing game.
Your focus, however, is on imaginary persecution. As such you don’t see this as pointing out the inherent epistemological limits of absolutely all religious claims. No, you fantasize that this is some sort of assault on Christianity. “Give everybody in the room a ham sandwich.” “What?? I"m in a room. I’ll have you know that I not only hate ham sandwiches, I’m also a Christian. Why are you so dedicated to attacking Christianity?!?”
Of course no. You are wrong pretty much 100% of the time not because of who what of how you worship. You’re wrong roughly 100% of the time because the positions and arguments you chose to advance are, without exception, awful in every intellectual respect. As for what putting forward those positions and ignoring all corrections evinces about you personally? This is the wrong forum to discuss it. But yah, you’re wrong pretty much all the time but that has nothing to do with you being a christian.
Band na… nevermind.
Yet again. There are ‘supernatural’ experiences for every religious faith in the world. As I’ve asked you several times before, would you convert to Voudoun? How about worship the Olypians, or Asgardians? Is Mohammed truly the last prophet whose word stands above all other prophets? Why or why not?
Hey, all I did was come to an established website whose very mission statement is about fighting ignorance. Then I stridently took an erroneous position, refused to admit error even when pointed out my mistakes repeatedly, claimed that being refuted was persecution, voiced numerous bigoted absurdities about ‘atheists’, claimed that showing how I’m wrong and my argument is awful is really somehow “arrogant”. And on yeah then I claimed that people on this ignorance-fighting website who were fighting my ignorance are like, I dunno, but probably angry hungry sharks. Yeah… damned atheists.
So, a limited number of people who are atheist on a specific message board were “rude” to you when you made demonstrably factually wrong comments regarding evolution (in a rather “rude” manner, yourself), and you use that to rationalize your “low opinion” of all atheists, everywhere. If that is how you live your life. . . . ::: shrug :::
Then you decide to draw a ring around yourself and claim that anyone who does not share your exact personal views of religion, (views that appear to be based on a subset of Christianity that was created in the nineteenth century), is only a “semi-Christian” whose views you may discount at will.
I am not so sure that anyone is “entitled” to an opinion, it is simply that there is no way to remove a person’s opinion, so from that perspective, you get to continue to hold your opinions. This is pretty much what I see among all fundies–theist, atheist, agnostic, or any other clan.
I will note, however, that you have totally misread my comment on fundies. I have never referred to “Christians” as fundies. Fundamentalism was a specific movement within American, (and a touch of British), Protestant Christianity with a specific perspective. It is not one with which I agree, but I respect many of those who hold those views. One tenet of that belief was a rather narrow view of the creation and interpretation of scripture. From that phenomenon, the word Fundamentalist expanded in meaning to indicate anyone whose beliefs were guided by a rather rigid acceptance of their scriptures, thus we now also speak of Fundamentalist Islam. However, within those groups of people are those who tend to use their narrow beliefs solely as an excuse to condemn other people. That is the way that the word fundy developed as a slang term from, but not limited to, Fundamentalist religious people. I explicitly noted that it was the fundies among both believers and non-believers who had made discussions on this board less interesting. That you would read that sentence and draw the rather improbable conclusion that I used the word “fundy” as a synonym for “Christian” indicates that you are simply looking for excuses to condemn other people, and are not actually interested in discussing the issues or expanding your understanding. (Sort of like the limited group of fundy atheists who also post here.)
If you wish to follow the Great Commission, you might want to tone down the hostility, but I suspect that you are more interested in demonstrating to yourself that your beliefs are superior than you are in actually learning anything or coming to understand the way that others understand the world.
Hmmmm. You seem to have missed my point, as well.
Well, the thread was hardly dying, but certainly, when you showed up to make more absurd comments and accusations, it brought several posters back.
I am also amused that you can only agree that another poster has been “honest” when he happens to agree with your mischaracterization of how he is “supposed” to feel.
That you believe that the others who have expressed different sentiments are not honest demonstrates your own fundy nature, who is only happy when condemning people.
I think he was talking about extremists(aka Fundies) on any and all sides of the debate.
Almost all atheists here accept that there was a historical Jesus. Does that count? If you mean only claims about divinity, are Jews and Hindus equally evil in your book?
BTW, truth is truth. Throwing out ten random claims doesn’t mean that we should accept one of them out of fairness. Each has to be considered in its own merits. So far, you have proven unable to provide evidence for even one of your claims. That is not our fault, that is your fault.
I did explain it too briefly: you were talking about fundamentalists on all sides of the debates including atheists, but it seems GEEPERS concluded that when you said “fundies,” you meant all Christians rather than the specific group of people who long ago started calling themselves fundamentalists.
I’m not sure how you made this leap, GEEPERS. It doesn’t make sense and it’s a very bad reading of tomndebb’s post.
He’s thinking that the only true Christians are “fundies”. So calling them by that name is mean.
Everyone else is a half-Christian, or atheist, I assume.
Ahh and the arrogance continues! And for the record, I have never once seen an -atheist admit to being wrong, or even apologize (ex. OP). End result = you’re not worth my time.
I’m sorry you’re so upset. I don’t think people realized how you would take people’s corrections as personal attacks.
I used to think that the immaculate conception referred to Jesus. But I learned years later that it referred to Mary. So I was wrong.
Did I just blow your mind?
If I might ask, what Christian sect do you belong to?
With regard to evolution and history, atheists - and religious people of all types who pay attention to science and facts - are not wrong. What do they have to admit?
I’ve admitted being wrong many times. I’ve also apologized many times. Where can we witness you doing any of these things?
Jeez, are you even able to engage someone on a one-on-one level (and you know I’ve PM’d you to try, to no avail!), without generalizing about a hugely diverse group of people? Atheists disagree with each other all the time, about science, politics, philosophy, and many other things. I’ve tried to engage you one-on-one, in these threads and in PM, but I’m shut down. If I ask you an honest question, or present my honest opinion, you just say “all atheists are arrogant” or something like that. Do you really think ALL atheists are out to get you? Might some of them actually be interested in learning how non-atheists think? Might some atheists actually have totally different opinions that you’ve generalized about all atheists?
I hope you practiced that in front of a mirror.
And for the record, I have never once seen a fundy admit to being wrong, or even apologize, you included.
And your mirror was right. You are not worth the time.
Well, I was wrong when I thought that all Christians followed the words of Christ, particularly Matthew 5:39. Now I see that some Christians do not think that certain words of Christ are worthy.
And I apologize for that.
For many (probably hundreds by now) more “why I am an atheist” short essays, as well as a very interesting atheist-oriented blog, see here:
People atheist and otherwise don’t accept what you say because it’s wrong. And atheists demand evidence because otherwise there’s no reason to consider your god to be any more plausible or real than Santa Claus. And because they know you never will provide evidence, because you* can’t*. Your religion like every other religion is just a baseless fantasy; there’s no evidence for you to produce.
Claiming demonic attack isn’t evidence; there’s no more evidence for demons than there is for gods. And the totally unsupported claims of some random guy on the internet aren’t evidence either. And that’s not just my own opinion, it’s yours; you’d never accept the claims of an Odin worshiper that they met a Valkyrie as evidence of Odin.