I understand that a police officer can make me do a lot of things in the line of duty, such as clear out of an area or go wait ‘over there’ or stop beating my wife. I understand that he can’t make me get him a cup of coffee. What are the limits on what I have to obey?
That question is so vague and undefined as to make a coherent response almost impossible, without the answer being so vague and undefined as to be of no real value.
I don’t see a problem. - What can a Policeman legally coerce a civilian to do?
Can he ask you to get him a cuppa?
I’ve seen on TV where the police have contacted HGV drivers by radio to ask them to assist in police chases (to act as road blocks) So that’s one example of something a policeman can get a civilian to do.
But is that more along the lines of a polite request? Can the HGV driver say “no thanks, I’m busy”, and suffer no consequences?
Here is a start: http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mcommandeer.html
One cop busted me for an out of service tail light. He made me cut his grass, wash his car, and press his pants for two weeks. It turns out the tail light worked after all.
It’s an easy question, but there is no easy answer. As so often happens with legal questions, you have to specify a jurisdiction. Then, you have to look to any statutes that govern police powers and behaviour. Of course, there are the citizens’ constitutional rights that must be considered. And naturally in common law jurisdictions such as the UK, the US, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand, there will be a boatload of caselaw laying down principles and limitations on what police can and cannot do.
Can the cop ask you to get him a cup of tea? Sure. Must you get him one if he asks? For the answer to that, you’ll have to consult a lawyer licensed to practice in your jurisdiction.
Let’s see. A cop (in the U.S.) typically has a gun, manacles, mace, a truncheon, and jackboots. I typically have a pocket comb and a touch of arthritis. So I’d say a cop can make me do almost anything I’m physically capable of doing. As for what he can make somebody else do, I guess that would be up to the somebody else. In other words, YMMV.
But you miss the point. I can set up a generalization of what a policeman can force you to do, probably putting it into one, neat sentence. But this would be such a generalization that any attempt to accurately apply it to a real situation would be damn near impossible.
In the example you gave, for instance, did they FORCE the cooperation? Or did they simply request it and get it voluntarily? See the difference?
In situations like this, you are always better off ponying up some specifics and asking about them.
No fair quoting yourself!
Seriously, as a citizen, you basically have the DUTY to assist in matters to the benefit of your community, provided it’s not life threatening.
Shagnasty, how’d that come about?
Would you like to borrow a cup of humor? You seem to be a tad low.
Press his pants? Is that what the kids are calling it these days?
You know how important the uniform is to a police officer. I’m suprised he didn’t have you shine his shoes.
I won’t speak for the OP, but here is an example: There was a shooting at 1:15a.m. at Florida Atlantic University down here. The whole campus was on lock down meaning that no one could enter or leave.
Now prohibiting entry I can understand; they control the property. But prohibiting leaving? What if I was visiting someone and at 2:30a.m, I wished to leave campus and return home? The immediate emergency was over by then, and they were simply looking for the suspect. By what authority can they prevent me from leaving campus?
The lockdown wasn’t lifted until 3pm the following afternoon.
Do you work at the Honey Dipped donut shop over on Greenfield Avenue in West Allis?
If so, then yes, you are going to get me a cup of coffee, and be damn honored to have my business!
If a police officer “made” you get him a drink and upon your refusal, threw you in jail, what would you be charged with? “Refused to provide officer with beverages” doesn’t sound like it would stand up in court.
Here’s a case with a different fact pattern, but it shows the way courts respond to claims like this:
First the facts, from the District Court opinion:
And the Third Circuit’s opinion:
JUDGES: Before: SCIRICA, BARRY, and SMITH, Circuit Judges.
OPINION BY: Maryanne Trump Barry
OPINION
BARRY, Circuit Judge
Because we write primarily for the parties and the District Court who are thoroughly familiar with the facts of this case, we see no need to reprise those facts here. Suffice it to say that this case arose out of a search of a building owned by corporate plaintiff United Solutions, Inc. The search was conducted by police officers employed by the defendant City of Philadelphia. The three individual plaintiffs – Ronita Jones, Rashford Galloway and Rubens Leocal – were inside the building at the time of the search and were detained while it was conducted. The individual plaintiffs alleged that their detention violated the Fourth Amendment and that they sustained personal injuries which constituted a taking for purposes of the Fifth Amendment; the corporate plaintiff alleged that damage done to the building during the search constituted a taking.
The jury found in favor of plaintiffs on their Fourth Amendment claims, finding that they proved that it was a policy, practice or custom of the City of Philadelphia to subject occupants of premises being searched to unreasonable periods and conditions of detention. The jury also found that, as a result of the City’s policy, plaintiffs Galloway and Jones suffered 10,000 worth of damage and plaintiff Leocal suffered 5,000 worth of damage.
The jury also found in favor of plaintiffs on their Fifth Amendment claims, finding, first, that the store was damaged as a result of the search and that the damages amounted to 500, which it awarded to plaintiff United Solutions. Second, the jury found in favor of the three individuals on their takings claims and awarded 10,000 to plaintiff Jones for physical damage to her body, 15,000 to plaintiff Galloway, and 10,000 to plaintiff Leocal.
The City has appealed, arguing that the District Court erred in not granting judgment as a matter of law in its favor on the Fourth and Fifth Amendment claims. The District Court had jurisdiction pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 1331; this Court has jurisdiction under 28 U.S.C. § 1291. We will reverse. We will reverse with regard to the Fourth Amendment claims because no evidence was presented at trial from which a reasonable juror could conclude that the City had a policy or custom of detaining innocent bystanders for unconstitutionally long periods of time or under unconstitutional conditions during otherwise legal searches. 1 We will reverse with regard to the Fifth Amendment takings claims because there can be no takings claim for damage to one’s body, as the United States may not legally “take” its citizens’ bodies, even if it compensates them therefore, and there can be no takings claim for the damage done to the plaintiff corporation’s property under the circumstances present here.
1 Because no evidence of such a policy or custom was presented at trial, we will not reach the City’s additional arguments (1) that it was entitled to judgment as a matter of law because the restraint of the plaintiffs was reasonable or (2) that it is entitled to a new trial because the District Court’s instruction on no-knock warrants was misleading and prejudicial.
The City argues that the District Court erred in denying its motion for judgment as a matter of law on plaintiffs’ Fourth and Fifth Amendment claims. See Fed. R. Civ. P. 50(a). Judgment as a matter of law should only be granted “if, viewing the evidence in the light most favorable to the nonmovant and giving it the advantage of every fair and reasonable inference, there is insufficient evidence from which a jury reasonably could find liability.” Lightning Lube, Inc. v. Witco Corp., 4 F.3d 1153, 1166 (3d Cir. 1993).
With regard to plaintiffs’ Fourth Amendment claims,innocent persons can be detained for reasonable periods and under reasonable conditions during searches to protect their safety and the safety of the officers. Torres v. United States, 200 F.3d 179, 185 (3d Cir. 1999). In order to prevail against the City, plaintiffs had to show that the City had a formal or informal policy or custom of detaining such persons for unreasonable periods or under unreasonable conditions, such that the City could be said to be the moving force behind the harm done to them. Bd. of the County Comm’rs of Bryan County v. Brown, 520 U.S. 397, 404, 137 L. Ed. 2d 626, 117 S. Ct. 1382 (1997).
The following evidence of a policy or custom regarding the length and conditions of detention was presented at trial. Officer John Coyne testified that under certain circumstances individuals are restrained and handcuffed when the police enter a property, but that excessive force is not to be used. When asked to elaborate, he explained that “when you feel that you have information on past investigations of others that there is danger which weapons could be present, that is policy to secure the individuals’ hands.” When asked how long an individual’s hands could be secured, he explained that there is no time limit, but that individuals cannot be detained for an excessive or unreasonable amount of time. He acknowledged that if an individual were handcuffed “for a long period of time . . . that there would have to be a reason for that, or you would be violating policy[.]” Nothing in Officer Coyne’s testimony would support a finding by a reasonable juror that the City of Philadelphia has a policy or custom of detaining individuals for amounts of time or under conditions which would violate the Fourth Amendment.
The only other evidence of any policy or custom with regard to detention was the testimony of Lieutenant Tom Wixted, who testified that it is not the policy of the Department to detain people for hours at a time. He explained that it would be a violation of policy to detain a person for several hours without arresting him or her. As with Officer Coyne’s testimony, there is nothing in Lieutenant Wixted’s testimony upon which a reasonable juror could base a finding that it was the City’s policy to detain individuals for excessive amounts of time. If anything, his testimony supports the opposite finding.
Turning to the Fifth Amendment takings claims, the City was also entitled to judgment as a matter of law on the individual plaintiffs’ Fifth Amendment claims for personal injury because “to assert that one’s body is private property that may be taken by the United States for any governmental purpose of any kind upon the payment of just compensation is to contend for something so far contrary to our theory of government, the relationship of the government and citizens as to be untenable.” Commers v. United States, 66 F. Supp. 943, 945 (D. Mont. 1946). See also Hurtado v. United States, 410 U.S. 578, 588-589, 35 L. Ed. 2d 508, 93 S. Ct. 1157 (1973) (a material witness detained prior to trial does not have a takings claim).
The City was also entitled to judgment as a matter of law on the plaintiff corporation’s Fifth Amendment claim for damage done during the search. This case involves only a temporary physical invasion of private property by the government. Loretto v. Teleprompter Manhattan CATV Corp., 458 U.S. 419, 430, 73 L. Ed. 2d 868, 102 S. Ct. 3164 (1982)(noting “the distinction between a permanent physical occupation, a physical invasion short of an occupation, and a regulation that merely restricts the use of property.”). As the Loretto Court explained, every physical invasion is not a taking. Loretto, 458 U.S. at 436. Temporary invasions are subject to a “complex balancing process to determine whether they are a taking . . . [because] they do not absolutely dispossess the owner of his rights to use, and exclude others from, his property.” Id.
“Resolving whether public action works a taking is ordinarily an ad hoc inquiry in which several factors are particularly significant – the economic impact of the regulation, the extent to which it interferes with investment-backed expectations, and the character of the governmental action.” Id. at 432 (citing Penn Central Transp. Co. v. New York City, 438 U.S. 104, 124, 57 L. Ed. 2d 631, 98 S. Ct. 2646 (1978)). In this case, the economic impact of the government action was minimal – the jury found that the police caused just $ 500 worth of damage – and there was no evidence that the plaintiff corporation invested in the property at issue with the expectation that it would remain free of legal searches founded upon probable cause.
Turning to the “character of the governmental action” prong, a "‘taking’ may more readily be found when the interference with property can be characterized as a physical invasion by government . . . than when interference arises from some public program adjusting the benefits and burdens of economic life to promote the common good. Penn Central, 438 U.S. at 124. Notwithstanding this general rule, in this case “the government’s activity was so short lived as to be more like the tort of trespass than a taking of property.” Hendler v. United States, 952 F.2d 1364, 1371 (Fed. Cir. 1991). The Hendler Court contrasted a situation in which a government vehicle parked one day on an individual’s land while the driver ate lunch, which would be more like a trespass, with a situation in which the government established a long term storage lot for vehicles and equipment, which would be more like a taking. Id.
The two-hour-long occupation of the plaintiff corporation’s property which occurred in this case falls into the trespass category. In addition to – and partly because of – the short duration of the “invasion,” it did not interfere with many, even most, of the traditional rights of property owners. Moreover, a temporary seizure of property in order to search that property is a permissible exercise of the government’s police – as opposed to its eminent domain – power and neither this Court nor the parties have found a federal case in which a court has held that such a seizure constituted a taking under the federal constitution. 2 See Lawmaster v. Ward, 125 F.3d 1341, 1351 (10th Cir. 1997)(plaintiff who alleged that officers ransacked his home during a search failed to “allege any facts showing how his property was taken for public use in violation of the Fifth Amendment.”). As the Supreme Court has recently noted, “orders temporarily prohibiting access to crime scenes, businesses that violate health codes, fire-damaged buildings, or other areas that we cannot now foresee . . . have long been considered permissible exercises of the police power” which do not entitle the individuals affected to compensation. 3 Tahoe-Sierra
Pres. Council, Inc. v. Tahoe Reg’l Planning Agency, 535 U.S. 302, 122 S. Ct. 1465, 1485, 152 L. Ed. 2d 517 (2002). See also Hurtado, 410 U.S. at 588-589 (“public duties” such as the giving of testimony do not trigger just compensation requirements); United States v. Friedman, 532 F.2d 928, 935 (3d Cir. 1976)(applying Hurtado to preclude a claim by an innocent bank forced to undertake a costly records search on behalf of a federal agency). The temporary occupation of plaintiff’s store is analogous to a temporary denial of access were it a crime scene. The corporation is not entitled to compensation because it was its “public duty” to submit to a search upon probable cause.
2 In the forfeiture context, the Eighth Circuit has explained that “. . . the forfeiture of contraband is an exercise of the government’s police power, not its eminent domain power. A forfeiture is not subject to the Fifth Amendment’s Takings Clause when it deprives an innocent owner of his property . . . .” United States v. $ 7,990.00 in U.S. Currency, 170 F.3d 843, 845-846 (8th Cir. 1999). See also Bennis v. Michigan, 516 U.S. 442, 452-453, 134 L. Ed. 2d 68, 116 S. Ct. 994(1996)(“The government may not be required to compensate an owner for property which it has already lawfully acquired under the exercise of governmental authority other than the power of eminent domain.”).
3 Plaintiffs argue that their claim is supported by National Bd. of Young Men’s Christian Ass’ns v. U. S., 395 U.S. 85, 92, 23 L. Ed. 2d 117, 89 S. Ct. 1511 (1969)(“YMCA”), in which the Supreme Court held that the plaintiff was not entitled to recover under the Takings Clause for damage done to one of its buildings which had been occupied by United States troops during a riot, because the troops were acting primarily in defense of the building, as opposed to primarily for the public good. The Court held that where a “private party is the particular intended beneficiary of the governmental activity, ‘fairness and justice’ do not require that losses which may result from that activity ‘be borne by the public as a whole,’ even though the activity may also be intended incidentally to benefit the public . . . .” YMCA, 395 U.S. at 92. Arguably, this broad dictum would support a takings claim where an individual was injured during a search and was not the “intended beneficiary” of the search. The YMCA case is distinguishable from this case. First, the plaintiff corporation may not have been the intended beneficiary of the search, but presumably it would have benefitted had the police found and put an end to criminal activity occurring in its building. Even if the corporation was not the intended beneficiary, the argument that fairness and justice require the public to reimburse it for its losses is mitigated by the fact that the damages were sustained as a result of a presumably reasonable search that was reasonably executed based upon a judicial finding of probable cause to believe that a crime was being committed inside.
The judgment of the District Court will be reversed and the case will be remanded for entry of judgment in favor of appellant.
/s/ Maryanne Trump Barry
Circuit Judge
As a related but slightly different question, what can you refuse to do when a police officer orders you to? Even if the order is flatly illegal, do you have the obligation to suck it up and only seek restitution after the fact?